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RE: Cisco moves even more to china.

  • From: Dan Mahoney, System Admin
  • Date: Thu Sep 23 21:16:26 2004

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Jason Graun wrote:

I think the IT field as a whole, programmers, network guys, etc... are going
to go the way of the auto workers in the 70's and 80's.  I am a CCIE working
and on a second one and it saddens me that all my hard work and advanced
knowledge could be replaced by a chop-shop guy because from a business
standpoint quarter to quarter the chop-shop guy is cheaper on the books.
Never mind the fact that I solve problems on the network in under 30mins and
save the company from downtime but I am too expensive.  I used to love
technology and all it had to offer but now I feel cheated, I feel like we
all have been burned by the way the business guys look at the technology, as
a commodity.  Thankfully I am still young (mid 20's) I can make a career
switch but I'll still love the technology.  Anyway I am going to start the
paper work to be an H1b to China and brush up on my Mandarin.

I've felt this way about things at times. It's why I'm getting my CDL. I highly doubt they can find a way to outsource *that* to some third-world country.

-Dan




Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Erik
Haagsman
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:55 PM
To: Dan Mahoney, System Admin
Cc: Nicole; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Cisco moves even more to china.


On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 02:29, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: 
I've always personally taken anyone who said "but I'm an MCSE" with a
grain of salt.  I've had equal respect for the A-plus and Net-Plus
certifications, which are basically bought.


I take most certifications with a grain of salt, including degrees,
unless someone clearly demonstrates he know's what he's talking about,
is able to make intelligent decisions and learns new techniques quickly.
In which case a certification is still just an add-on ;-)

I used to have more trust in the /CC../ certifications but I find I may be

laughing those off too quite soon. 

The vendor's introductory certs (CCNA, CCNP, JNCIA, JNCIS) don't say
anything about a candidate, except exactly that ("I got the cert"). CCIE
and JNCIE are still at least an indicator someone was at a certain level
at the time of getting the certification, but are still no substitute
for experience and a brain in good working order. It's too bad there
aren't better "general" (non-vendor specific) certs, since what often
lacks is general understanding of network architecture and protocols.
You can teach anyone the right commands for Vendor X and they'll prolly
get a basic config going on a few nodes, but when troubleshooting time
comes it's useless without good knowledge of the underlying technology,
which none of the vendor certs teach very well (IMHO anyway ;-)

Cheers,

Erik



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