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Too Late
CDL drivers are already outsourced a couple of years ago we agreed to
allow Mexican trucking firms access to the entire CONUS. Before that they
were limited to 100 Miles from the border.
Become a mechanic or plumber instead...
Scott C. McGrath
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
>
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Jason Graun wrote:
>
> > I think the IT field as a whole, programmers, network guys, etc... are going
> > to go the way of the auto workers in the 70's and 80's. I am a CCIE working
> > and on a second one and it saddens me that all my hard work and advanced
> > knowledge could be replaced by a chop-shop guy because from a business
> > standpoint quarter to quarter the chop-shop guy is cheaper on the books.
> > Never mind the fact that I solve problems on the network in under 30mins and
> > save the company from downtime but I am too expensive. I used to love
> > technology and all it had to offer but now I feel cheated, I feel like we
> > all have been burned by the way the business guys look at the technology, as
> > a commodity. Thankfully I am still young (mid 20's) I can make a career
> > switch but I'll still love the technology. Anyway I am going to start the
> > paper work to be an H1b to China and brush up on my Mandarin.
>
> I've felt this way about things at times. It's why I'm getting my CDL. I
> highly doubt they can find a way to outsource *that* to some third-world
> country.
>
> -Dan
>
>
>
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Erik
> > Haagsman
> > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:55 PM
> > To: Dan Mahoney, System Admin
> > Cc: Nicole; [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: Cisco moves even more to china.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 02:29, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
> >> I've always personally taken anyone who said "but I'm an MCSE" with a
> >> grain of salt. I've had equal respect for the A-plus and Net-Plus
> >> certifications, which are basically bought.
> >
> > I take most certifications with a grain of salt, including degrees,
> > unless someone clearly demonstrates he know's what he's talking about,
> > is able to make intelligent decisions and learns new techniques quickly.
> > In which case a certification is still just an add-on ;-)
> >
> >> I used to have more trust in the /CC../ certifications but I find I may be
> >
> >> laughing those off too quite soon.
> >
> > The vendor's introductory certs (CCNA, CCNP, JNCIA, JNCIS) don't say
> > anything about a candidate, except exactly that ("I got the cert"). CCIE
> > and JNCIE are still at least an indicator someone was at a certain level
> > at the time of getting the certification, but are still no substitute
> > for experience and a brain in good working order. It's too bad there
> > aren't better "general" (non-vendor specific) certs, since what often
> > lacks is general understanding of network architecture and protocols.
> > You can teach anyone the right commands for Vendor X and they'll prolly
> > get a basic config going on a few nodes, but when troubleshooting time
> > comes it's useless without good knowledge of the underlying technology,
> > which none of the vendor certs teach very well (IMHO anyway ;-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Erik
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ---
> > Erik Haagsman
> > Network Architect
> > We Dare BV
> > tel: +31.10.7507008
> > fax: +31.10.7507005
> > http://www.we-dare.nl
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> "Don't be so depressed dear."
>
> "I have no endorphins, what am I supposed to do?"
>
> -DM and SK, February 10th, 1999
>
> --------Dan Mahoney--------
> Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek
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