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Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!!
Gene Shklar wrote: > > Thanks for the suggestions. We're considering doing a follow-up and perhaps making > this a regular feature every 2 or 4 months thereafter. We've received a few suggestions > for methodology changes/enhancements, and also several emails so far denouncing our > methodology but not explaining why (which is typical of people in many areas -- politics, > the environment, economics, whatever -- who disagree emotionally but not intellectually > with the conclusions of a study). My disagreement isn't based on emotion. If you had followed the thread you would have picked up on the point that under _most_ circumstances, the ISP/NSP/IXP's web servers are typically _not_ on the fastest part of their network. They leave this space for revenue generating customers. > > The current methodology generally shows how a web site connected to a particular > backbone appears to the general internet population of users. The results are intended > to be a guide (but not the only one) for helping web sites select or evaluate a collocation, > hosting, or access provider. > Your going to need cooperation from these sites to put a resource in their colo space not use their web server. A better way to tackle this would be to solicit the cooperation of one or two of their actual customers who provide a service from that backbone. > Your methodology suggestion would be useful to include because its results would also help > end-users select their dial-up ISPs based on the backbone that those ISPs are connected > to. I highly doubt this will really help anyone pick an ISP correctly. It doesn't show the most annoying side of the equation; getting connected. What is the ISP user to modem ratio? What is their customer to bandwidth ration? etc. I doubt the average joe-user will even think or ask this. I don't have an issue with somebody trying to provide QoS info about ISP/NSP etc, but you can't do it just by downloading 56k of data. There is a lot more to it. How do each segments behave with differing packet sizes, etc. Fragmentation will take its toll. I could go on but I should do some real work. > > Gene Shklar > -------------------------------------------------------- > Gene Shklar [email protected] > Keynote Systems, Inc. voice (415) 524-3011 > Two West Fifth Avenue fax (415) 524-3099 > San Mateo, CA 94402 main # (415) 524-3000 > http://www.keynote.com > > "A great Internet application experience is all a matter > of customer perspective." > > ---------- > From: Peter Cole[SMTP:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, June 27, 1997 10:57 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! > > I would like to see the test run again with the following change. > > >From each provider test the response time of the other 28 sites and not > the providers own web server. Then average the response times for these > other 28 web servers and report that average response time from that > provider. The providers with good connectivity to the rest of the net > should have lower average response time. > > P.S. One might also be interested in the top one hundred web sites > average response time. > > Peter Cole of Telescan, Inc. (281)588-9155 > Better computing through lack of sleep. > > > ---------- > > From: Golan Ben-Oni[SMTP:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 1997 3:53 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index > > > > For shits and grins: > > > > http://www.keynote.com/measures/backbones/backbones.html > > > > -Golan > > -- --/ Peter E. Giza || Technical Consultant || ADSmart Corporation fone 508.684.3609 || phax 508.684.3618 || page 800.632.1746 || http://www.adsmart.net /--