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Re: What to do when your ISP off-shores tech support

  • From: Mark Foster
  • Date: Fri Dec 26 02:02:25 2008


On Fri, 26 Dec 2008, Martin Hannigan wrote:

On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Frank Bulk - iName.com
<[email protected]>wrote:

I don't think there would be a concern about off-shore support if we
couldn't tell it was "off-shore".


You can't tell most of the time.

The point that is relevant operationally is that off shoring can be a solid
method to help significantly reduce costs. It can work easier for some
functions than others. Level 1/Tier1 support seems like an excellent
candidate for off shoring and I think that the measure is still quality of
service from the provider verses if they off shore or not.

Just my humble opinion.


Hi Martin,
Seemingly a rational viewpoint (what, on NANOG? Surely not!) but the problem with the gradual depletion of Level/Tier 1 support environments in your home country is the (eventual) gradual depletion of expertise available to the higher levels.

A hellovalot of the clueful engineers that i've come to know over the past few years are people who started off on Helpdesks, and moved up the tiers, to finally land in NOC type slots and from there to engineering and design, perhaps skipping some or all of the 'tiers'... but you've gotta start somewhere.

Aside from the typical Degree or Diploma that tertiary outfits offer, there's not a lot of good ways to 'break in' to the Network and Systems Operations communities other than good ol experience, working-from-the-bottom-up.

So as you move your Tier 1's offshore, you cut off the channel by which people can gain experience and move on up the chain...

(The issues around the advantages from a cultural sense of having access to people who actually know your environs, current events, etc, are probably far more obvious..)

Could offshoring be considered a 'short term fix' and be hindering our ability to employ clooful operators in a few years time? (else, are we limiting ourselves to employing immigrants from 'offshore locations' because we don't locally build the right experience?)

Mark.