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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thinking out loud. I guess some sort of trust model would help similar to what nsp-sec has in place (not sure its current state). It could be nice if there was some sort of a consensus among this consortium to distribute executive health metrics with the help of some secure trusted monitoring mechanism or maybe push model to a central database of some sort. Like to hear more thoughts as well. regards, /virendra Wallace Keith wrote: > I wasn't thinking in terms of automatic monitoring, that would open up > a can of worms security wise. > Just looking at some way of getting the manual reporting (that is still > taking place to the FCC) back in the (semi?)public domain. Due to > terrorism concerns, that information is no longer available online. I'm > pretty sure the LEC's and IXC's like it that way also, as they no longer > have to air their dirty laundry. I was able to get some information > under the Freedom of Information act for an outage that affected me > directly , but that takes days or weeks. As close to real-time > information as possible is what's needed to assess and respond to a > major outage, i.e. routing voice/data via different carriers, being able > to explain to end users why their email or phone calls didn't go through > , etc. and eliminating the need to open tons of trouble tickets during a > major event. One master ticket - such as fiber cut affect xxx OC48's > would suffice. > Not sure how this can be balanced against DHS perceived needs > though...any suggestions? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vicky Rode [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:45 PM > To: Wallace Keith > Subject: Re: Verizon outage in Southern California? > > I wonder how would Telcos, ISPs and GOV agencies feel about a third > party polling their devices, not to mention security. > > > I think netcarft comes close to what you're suggesting. > > > regards, > /virendra > > > > Wallace Keith wrote: > >>>All this speculation!! >>>Remember the good old days when you could see faxes of FCC outage >>>reports online? >>>Was sure nice to know what was going on, before the FCC took these >>>offline (due to DHS?) It would really by nice to have some sort of an >>>online clearing house, and gain some visibility again into overall >>>network status. This will become even more important as things >>>continue to converge. DACS and DC Power failures tend to affect >>>multiple services and in the case of power, multiple carriers that >>>are colo'd in the CO. >>>-Keith >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>>Of Vicky Rode >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:29 PM >>>To: [email protected] >>>Cc: nanog list >>>Subject: Re: Verizon outage in Southern California? >>> >>> >>>I wonder what ever happened to redundancy? I guess 5 9s (dunno what >>>the going number is) got blown out of the water for them. >>> >>> >>> >>>regards, >>>/virendra >>> >>>David Lesher wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I'm not completely familiar with the telco jargon. >>>>>>Does Tandem mean the same as a local central office, where POTS >>>>>>lines terminate at the switch? Long Beach has a population of >>>>>>470,000. The C/Os I know of are: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>A "Central Office" switch talks to subscribers aka end-users. >>>>>On its backside, it talks to other CO's and tandems. Time was, that >>>>>was also VF copper pairs, but it's long since all >>>>>DS1 and up..... >>>>> >>>>>A tandem is a switch that talks not to subs, but only to CO's. In >>>>>days >>> >>> >>>>>of old, when a {dialup} call went to the other side of town, chances >>>>>are it went you-yourCO-downtown tandem-joesCO-joe. {copper all the >>>>>way...}. >>>>> >>>>>A tandem was always housed in large CO building, but might have been >>>>>ATT's vice the operationg company, etc... >>>>> >>>>>But ESS's and ""classless switching"" and massive expansion of the >>>>>plant really muddled the picture. An ESS could be both a CO switch >>>>>[for multiple prefixes and even multiple NPA's..] AND act like a >>>>>tandem.. And oh, the actual "line cards" can be remoted 100 miles >>>>>away >>> >>> >>>>>in a horz. phonebooth box alongside the road in Smallville.... >>>>>with DS1's/OC coming back. >>>>> >>>>>My guess is a DACS, a cross-connect point that is an software-driven >>>>>patch panel, lost its marbles. [engineering term of art.....] A DACS >>>>>could have dozen->MANY dozen DS1/DS3/OC-n going hither and yon. Some >>>>>will be leased circuits. Others will be the CO trunks going from one >>>>>switch to another. It may/may not have muxes internal, so that what >>>>>arrives on a DS1 leaves in a OC96.. >>>>> >>>>>I note it went down at 2:20 AM. That SCREAMS software > > upgrade/cutover. > >>> >>>>>What's to bet GEE, no...VZEEE, was doing just that and there was a >>>>>major ohshit. >>>>> >>>>>Sean noted a long while back that somehow, DACS crashes always seem >>>>>to >>> >>> >>>>>take hours to recover. Maybe the backups are on Kansas City standard >>>>>tapes, I donno.. but this sounds like that.. >>>>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDWHPxpbZvCIJx1bcRAv/DAJwPg4J5CNSZc6z0kTv3UwFKHBKq7QCePH2M As5MkIaZrrH0N+XnxT7oVAI= =G/S3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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