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> From [email protected] Thu Aug 19 12:58:57 2004 > Cc: Patrick W Gilmore <[email protected]> > From: Patrick W Gilmore <[email protected]> > Subject: "scanning" e-mail [WAS: 3 Free Gmail invites] > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:55:46 -0400 > To: [email protected] > > > On Aug 19, 2004, at 1:39 PM, Lou Katz wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 10:13:29PM -0700, Jonathan Nichols wrote: > >> > >> Joshua Brady wrote: > >> > >>> I've got 2 Gmail invites up for grabs for the first 2 to email me > >>> offlist. > >>> > >> > >> You know, I'm having trouble finding people that *don't* have > >> gmail.com > >> accounts already. :P > > > > Because G-mail scans INCOMING mail without the sender's consent, we > > will NEVER > > have a G-mail account and have considered blocking them. We actively > > discourage > > our clients from using this service. If you want to let a service scan > > YOUR mail, > > it is your perogative, but you cannot give them permission to scan MY > > mail to you. > > I believe your last statement is factually incorrect. I absolutely > _can_ do anything I please with "your" e-mail you send to me. Not only > that, I also believe I _may_ do it. You send me e-mail, the e-mail is > now mine. Well, legally, "yes, and no". > I can post it publicly, You _cannot_ legally do that. copyright infringement. > put it into a search engine, or > deleted it, and you have no say in the matter. Might not be polite, > but it certainly it not illegal. Don't like it, don't send me e-mail. > (Please. :) You own the 'artifact' that is the message, the 'intellectual property rights' (i.e. "copyright") remain with the author/sender. Doing thing with the message that require consent of the copyright holder are things you cannot do _without_ that consent. :) 'Private use' copying is _not_ one of those things, however. > Google is simply indexing mail for their users as a service - an > unobtrusive, completely benign service just like virus checking or > procmail scripts which have been used for years. And it certainly does > not require the consent of the sender. How I manage my mailbox is MY > business. You have exactly zero say over whether I let Google do it or > Mail.app. THAT is entirely correct. > Perhaps you are worried that Google will read your e-mail? Or maybe > let others read it? Well, I hope you never send e-mail to anyone who > does not run their own dedicated mail server on their own dedicated > hardware and encrypt the SMTP session. 'Cause you are worried about > something that has been happening for decades. (Plus I think you have > to be more than a little arrogant to think anyone at Google gives a > fart about the e-mail you send.) > > But hey, it's your e-mail, send it or not as you please. I like the > idea behind G-mail, I just can't deal with a web-based e-mail client. > You don't, then don't use it. > > Just please don't spout factual fallacies like saying I can't give > someone permission to do things to my inbox. > > -- > TTFn, > patrick >
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