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I post some negative messages about ORBS and RBL and look what happens! Gee, isn't it co-incidental that my mailer is now blocked? It sounds like straight-up intimidation actions to me. If this is the action of a responsible anti-spam fanatic then it is an even greater indictment of the entire RBL/ORBS movement. The hostname is right, DNS is healthy, including my ORSC root-zone servers, and I am running current sendmail with anti-relay active. Gee, maybe they're making a statement ...ya think? That's alright, woods just hit my kill-file anyway >plonk< But, this seriously indicates that this ORBS/RBL think is getting way out of hand. Typical vigilante pattern. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 11:46 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable > > > The original message was received at Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:46:01 -0700 > from peregrin.lvrmr.mhsc.com [199.108.175.234] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > <[email protected]> > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... while talking to mail.weird.com.: > >>> HELO condor.lvrmr.mhsc.com > <<< 550-You are not permitted to send mail from > condor.lvrmr.mhsc.com[199.108.175.226]. > <<< 550-All SMTP connections have been blocked from that address, > <<< 550-possibly because it has been listed in one of the many RBLs, > <<< 550-or possibly because your DNS is broken or your > hostname is wrong. > <<< 550- > <<< 550-Please forward this message to your own LOCAL > postmaster and ask > <<< 550-them to contact us regarding this issue. > <<< 550- > <<< [email protected][199.108.175.226]: Please contact > <[email protected]> > <<< 550-(via an unblocked server of course!) for exact > details on why your > <<< 550-mailer's connection was rejected. You must include > your IP number > <<< 550 given above in order to receive an accurate answer. > 554 <[email protected]>... Service unavailable > Reporting-MTA: dns; condor.lvrmr.mhsc.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; peregrin.lvrmr.mhsc.com Arrival-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:46:01 -0700 Final-Recipient: RFC822; [email protected] Action: failed Status: 5.5.0 Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.weird.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550-You are not permitted to send mail from condor.lvrmr.mhsc.com[199.108.175.226]. Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:46:19 -0700 --- Begin Message ---I received the following today. I verified it myself. ------------------------------------- [baa ~]$ dig txt 69.21.98.203.relays.orbs.org <snip> ;; ANSWER SECTION: 69.21.98.203.relays.orbs.org. 1D IN TXT "untestable - Telstra/Saturn NZ has multiple open relays and has blocked the ORBS tester." <big snip> Both of these statements are blatent lies and completley incorrect. ------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of > Greg A. Woods > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 10:20 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: surge in spam email (fwd) > > > [ On Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 18:05:41 (-0700), Roeland > M.J. Meyer wrote: ] > > Subject: RE: surge in spam email (fwd) > > > > The problem is ORBS black-holing Telstra/Optus. This effectively > > black-holes OZ and NZ, in their entirety. At that point, ORBS > > credibility is toasted with me. I have also put three major > > clients with AboveNet. ORBS's blackhole there, didn't sit well > > with me either. BTW, the current client is both in AboveNet and > > does traffic with OZ. ORBS has used up so many credibility points > > with me that I am now recommending against any affiliation with > > ORBS, in any way, shape, or means, whatsoever. > > Ah, no, ORBS doesn't "black-hole" anyone, nor block anyone. > > Only its users (such as myself) do such naughty things. > > > I'm not a spam fan, but ORBS is completely out of control and > > renegade now. I can't condone such irresponsible behaviour. I am > > routing around the problem. If they had only blocked selected > > subnets, that I can understand. But to block an entire country, > > for the sins of a few, is irresponsible. I have now endured two > > revenue hits because of ORBS ... there won't be a third ... I > > can't afford it. The trust is broken and won't be restored. BTW, > > I am revisiting the RBL as well, however, they do seem a bit more > > responsible over there. > > I think if you look at the facts you'll find they're much different > than you've made them out to be. > > It just so happens that ORBS doesn't even list in their *manual* list > even the entirety of Telstra's net blocks! > > (not that it's possible to select a country, not even by > their TLD, such > as ".au", with a system like ORBS.....) > > -- > Greg A. Woods > > +1 416 218-0098 VE3TCP <[email protected]> > <robohack!woods> > Planix, Inc. <[email protected]>; Secrets of the Weird > <[email protected]>--- End Message ---
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