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Re: ARIN whois

  • From: Derek J. Balling
  • Date: Mon Nov 22 19:05:42 1999


Until you actually WIN a criminal case, please go away.

It can interest lawyers all you want, but for the threatening and posturing we've seen from you, I've yet to actually hear from anyone that you've sued them, let alone that you won some money.


At 05:26 PM 11/22/99 -0500, Dean Anderson wrote:

We're up to 80K and rising. 2 big ones. Some smaller ones over 5K. Most the rest are under $500. Unless we can pin them to one or a small group of people. Then all their attacks are summed. A number of small attacks over a short period can then be criminal. This amount interests both lawyers and collections companies.


Around 04:07 PM 11/22/1999 -0600, rumor has it that Joe Shaw said:
>What "legitimate business purposes" necessitate leaving SMTP relays open
>to the world? While I think spammers shouldn't be spamming, I think
>you'd find it better to do what you can to stop them from spamming via
>means you control, i.e. your servers, as opposed to going through the
>The FBI has recently stated that their computer crimes people are entirely
>overworked and way behind. So, while they will look into the matter, my
>previous experience with the FBI and computer crime shows a decided lack
>of interest in crimes that don't involve a high dollar figure for damages
>or stolen goods/services except for the purposes of profiling attacks and
>doing trend analysis. Unless you're looking at a six figure loss, you
>probably won't get far.
>Your best bet is to find a solution to restrict access to your relays.
>Joseph W. Shaw - [email protected]
>Free UNIX advocate - "I hack, therefore I am."
>On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Dean Anderson wrote:
>> These are coming from Mass, Cleveland, Ohio, and Virginia.
>> We use our relays for legitimate business purposes. They are not "accidentally left open".
>> --Dean
Plain Aviation, Inc [email protected]