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I would agree with Rodney, the data needs to be current and acurate. In fact I thought I read somewhere that it was required..... Back to reading stuff again to verify. At 10:00 PM 11/16/98 -0700, you wrote: >Mike Reno wrote: > ><snip> > >> As >> most hosting providers leave the Organization information alone, anyone >> with a VALID reason to contact the owner of the domain could use snail mail >> or ask the information operator for the phone number. If the owner of the >> domain has his/her number unlisted .... guess they want to be left > alone. >> NSI does use snail mail to send out invoices. It's not as if these >> precautionary steps being taken are resulting in any serious problems that >> will bring the world to an untimely demise. If the domain owner wants to >> move his domain, he can FAX an authorization to NSI on the Organization's >> letterhead. That is a very common practice as domain owners are not in the >> habit of updating their contact records which results in a failure to >> approve modifications based on 'Mail From'. >> >> Business is business. > >Mike; > >I think there is a basic misunderstanding here about the basis of whois. >This is *not* netsol's database. Yet. > >It is a database of contact information. I don't give a rat's ass who >the billing or admin contact for a domain or network is. I care about >the technical contact. If 'they' (or the collective we, actually) use >valid dns data, I'd even live with that. I have no problem using 'dig'. >But we all need a way to reach a 'responsible party' in the case of a >real problem. > >We've been in the middle of a project that has been looking at whois >data, and dns data, to identify valid contacts for networks and domains. >Guess what? If it was even close to accurate you'd never see people >posting urgent requests to nanog asking if anyone has a good number for >xyz because there is an attack/failure/bogus announcement screwing up >others, and the listed contacts don't work. Go call Telco information, >and ask for a listing for the network operations center for any of the >networks, large or small, and I'll bet that you can't find a single >instance of a number that lets you reach a warm body who knows what the >hell you mean when you ask a network question. > >Maybe someday Netsol will own the intellectual property in the .com .net >.org etc. databases. But for now they don't. And if they allow people to >register bogus data, they aught to be tarred and feathered. Not becauase >it is bad business practice, but it;s bad Internet practice. If the >problem is spammers, solve that problem. Don't get rid of the data we >all need. Or at least find an alternative (maybe I should work on >that... hmmmm?). > >Sheesh, am I the only one who thinks valid contacts are important? I'm >sure that Sprint and MCI and GTE have good numbers for each other... but >wouldn't it be nice to be able to get to someone clueful at Exodus today >while these dns hackers are in the middle of whatever they're doing, and >track them down then and there? Whack-a-mole is fine for carnivals, but >on the net today, you have to whack-em-once. It's too expensive to just >chase them. > >/rlj >CenterGate Research LLC >
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