North American Network Operators Group Date Prev | Date Next | Date Index | Thread Index | Author Index | Historical Re: Provider credibility - does it matter? was Re: Inter-provider relations
We have the same picture there. If we have 1000 kilimoters back-bone, we include the cost of this back-bone into our prices, and sell 64K for (for example) 100bokazoids. If small ISP crinix opens free-of-chsarge peering with us, he must not include the cost of back-bone into their prices, and they sell 64K for 50 bokazoids. This mean we can't allow free-of-charge peering with them. > Karl Denninger <[email protected]> wrote: > > >Any provider that does not recognize the value of bilateral, no-settlement > >peering anywhere that its cost-effective for both parties (ie: if you have > >traffic destined for me, get it on MY network where I'm being paid to > >carry it and let ME figure the rest out!) deserves what they get. > > Zero-settlement peerings open to anyone are demonstrably amount to > subsidies from large peers to small. > > That already was beaten to death. However, i repeat the argument: > > Big Provider > Customer A ---[POP] ------------- 1000 miles -----------[POP] > | > IXP > | > Customer B ------[POP]-1 mile-[POP] > Small Provider > > When customers A and B talk Big Provider pays to get them through > 1000 miles. Small Provider pays for 1 mile. > > Note that i didn't even talk about less measurabe, but way too > more important things like hosting of information suppliers. > Say, Big Provider connects 1000 web sites; Small Provider hosts > 1 site -- benefit from peering in terms of Web site diversity to > the Big Provider's customers is 0.1%. To Small Provider's > customers the benefit of peering is 99.9%. > > Zero-settlements work only when peers are of comparable size. > Any attempt to extort pressure to force it upon anyone simply > causes large folks to flee. > > --vadim > --- Aleksei Roudnev, Network Operations Center, Relcom, Moscow (+7 095) 194-19-95 (Network Operations Center Hot Line),(+7 095) 239-10-10, N 13729 (pager) (+7 095) 196-72-12 (Support), (+7 095) 194-33-28 (Fax) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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