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NANOG Meeting Presentation Abstract

Panel: Pragmatismv6: a Grown-up, Critical Examination of IPv6
Meeting: NANOG38
Date / Time: 2006-10-10 1:45pm - 3:15pm
Room: St. Louis D-E
Presenters: Moderators:

Todd Underwood, Renesys Corporation

Todd Underwood is in charge of operations and peering for Renesys. Before that he was CTO of Oso Grande, a New Mexico ISP. He has a background in systems engineering and security and has worked on a variety of systems architecture and scalability problems. Todd has presented work related to Internet routing dynamics and relationships at NANOG and various peering forums (LINX, S&D, NOTA).
Panelists:

Daniel Golding, Tier 1 Research

Daniel Golding is Vice President and Senior Analyst at Tier 1 Research, covering the Hosting and Internet Infrastructure industries. Most recently, Daniel spent three years as a senior industry analyst at the Burton Group, covering enterprise internetworking. Daniel has served as Global Peering Manager at America Online, where he lead AOL\'s efforts to become a core Internet network. Daniel has also held senior engineering and architecture positions at a variety of major Internet Service Providers. Daniel has briefed the FCC on Internet policy issues and is a frequent speaker at industry events, including the North American Network Operator\'s Group (NANOG) and the Global Peering Forum. Daniel holds a BS from Auburn University and an MS from George Mason University, both in engineering.

David Meyer, Cisco, University of Oregon

David Meyer is currently Director of Internet Architecture and Engineering at Cisco Systems. Prior to that he served as Senior Scientist and Director of IP Technology Development at Sprint. He is also Director of the Advanced Network Technology Center at the University of Oregon. Prior to working at Sprint, he worked at Cisco, where he was involved in software development, working both on multicast and BGP. He is active in the IETF, where he chairs the MBONED, GROW, and DNSOP working groups, as well as being a member of several IETF directorates and Internet Research Task Force research groups. He is also active in the operator community and in other standards organizations as the ITU-T, where he co-chairs FGNGN WG 7.

Jason Schiller, Verizon Business

Jason Schiller is a Senior Internet Network Engineer in the IP Network Engineering Department at UUNET / Verizon. He has been with the company for over seven years. His current role includes architecting, designing, evaluating, and qualifying networks for deployment in the UUNET network. Jason also completes field trials and acts as highest level of escalation for issues in the Americas continental networks and for multicast issues globally. He is also responsible for defining and maintaining global standards for each of the continental UUNET networks. Previous projects include designing the UUCast multicast network and the Latin American network. Current interests include Internet routing, multicast, and IPv6.
Abstract: IPv6 has seen relatively little adoption among service providers worldwide in recent years but that may be beginning to change. As fear of IPv4 address exhaustion looms and IPv6 is perceived to be maturing, roll-outs are increasing. This is bringing a series of conflicts between service providers and protocol architects. Service providers want to deploy IPv6 in a manner compatible with current IPv4 deployment, but this notably conflicts with desire to use IPv6 to solve the massive deaggregation and routing-table bloat seen in the IPv4 world. Clearly there are problems that need to be worked out.
Nevertheless, a large group of IPv6 proponents has developed. These are people who think that IPv6 is more than ready for production deployment, even to end-users. They think it solves some problems for real networks (mostly related to IP number exhaustion, but there are others), and that the time for resistance, comment and criticism has come and gone.

At the same time, a large and quiet body of people are (mostly) silently waiting for IPv6\'s demise so that we can start talking about a simpler protocol migration. These people tend to think that IPv6 is massively over-designed, fails to solve the location+identifier problem in routing scalably, and offers no backwards compatibility. They also tend to think that there is plenty of time to design and implement a better solution. IPv6 proponents, even those who think that the protocol needs work, obviously strongly disagree.

What everyone agrees on is that IPv6 has not seen massive adoption and that there is a looming set of problems for IPv4 (the combination of address shortage and routing table bloat).

This panel will finally unite the IPv6 naysayers and the IPv6 proponents in a single, constructive discussion. The idea is to
combine people who think that IPv6 is workable but needs some fixing with those who think that it is fatally flawed in a useful, public debate. The panel also unites people whose experience is on the protocol design side, people who run large networks, and those who do research, analysis and tools for operators.
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Sponsors: None.

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    Lixia ZhangUCLA; .
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    Dan MasseyColorado State University; .
    Beichuan ZhangUniversity of Arizona; .
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    Lixia ZhangUCLA; .
    Yan ChenColorado State University; .
    Dan MasseyColorado State University; .
    Beichuan ZhangUniversity of Arizona; .
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    Lixia ZhangUCLA; .
    Yan ChenColorado State University; .
    Dan MasseyColorado State University; .
    Beichuan ZhangUniversity of Arizona; .
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