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Hello,I appreciate all your feedback. I have also recieved more research material from independent research institutes that give the products thumbs up. Best regards Raymond On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Paul Wall <[email protected]> wrote: > Whoa, excessive use of "!"...this isn't IOS ICMP output. > > For those of you who want to have a chuckle, grep the word "exit" on > any of these fine 7750/7450 router configurations. Seeing a router > configuration that contains 10,000+ instances of the word "exit" makes > me recall the fine book FINAL EXIT. Seems like a poor mans version of > nesting with { }'s in JUNOS. > > Some of my gripes on the Timetra (whens the last time Alcatel built > something themselves instead of acquire it?) box are that it really is > catered to installs where Alcatel is running the design side of the > network as well. The CLI is somewhat non-intuitive for IOS, IOS-XR or > JUNOS operations staff. Here are some examples: > > Here in 2008, why are people buying boxes that do not support > candidate configuration or commit/rollback? The only thing you can > "commit" on the box is routing policy changes. I thought this was a > service provider box? > > For years (this might not be the case anymore), any time you attempted > to use the short-form of the "show" command by typing "sh", you > received a syntax error. This is because there were two commands that > began with sh: show and shell. The problem is that the shell command > prompts you for a password that only Alcatel knows (and won't share > with any customers that I'm aware of). So, if your own customers cant > run the command, why give users a headache? > > Its a router, why do I have to do "show router route" to see a routing > table entry? For years, you also had to suffix the command "exact" on > the end of every command as well. > > Pricing wise...they're way above other boxes that you can find > elsewhere that can do the jobs you need. Both the Cisco 7600 and the > Juniper MX line both have a way better CLI and employ a knowledgeable > staff of seasoned former service provider engineers. Alcatel seems to > be comprised of failed router startup guys from Caspian or Chiaro. > Feature wise, they're behind the curve when it comes to competing with > Cisco and Juniper. I think this is also shown in how they name their > software releases as "Feature Groups" (telco-speak, anyone?). > > The main thing I want to speak to is that this box is not made for > your clueful IP operator. Alcatel is very insistent that the customer > use their UNIX/Windows NMS (I believe they call the SAM) to interface > with the routers. Sorry but...that might fly in telcoland where > executives ooh and ahh over point-and-click network management, but I > think most operators are going to find it a tad bit useless. > > Sure, they do have NSR, but so did Avici. Does NSR make up for the > lack of features, high pricing and being stuck at 20Gbps per slot? > Yes, they do have 40Gbps per slot on the way, but who doesn't support > 40Gbps per slot today? > > Why bother stepping back a few years in development when if you want a > solid P core box, Foundry MLX/XMR, Juniper MX, Cisco 7600s and CRS-1's > are ready now and at prices that really aren't all that bad. Oh yeah, > you wont scratch the hell out of your finger nails when removing the > compact flash on those boxes. > > Drive slow, pinging 10(!!!!). > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:31 AM, devang patel <[email protected]> wrote: > > I guess they have good lab in Plano, TX also!!!I worked on the same > routers > > for IPTV deployment and really they are best!!! > > > > > > regards > > Devang Patel > > > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Dan Snyder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> I think that the 7750SR routers are great and you won't be let down. We > >> used to have an all Cisco network and I was skeptical at first but they > have > >> been great. > >> > >> As for nss and nsr when we tested this by failing a cpm we saw less than > 50 > >> ms of traffic loss. I would see if you could go to either California or > >> Canada to one of ALUs labs and have it demonstrated for you. > >> > >> hth, > >> Dan > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> > >> On Nov 12, 2008, at 7:40 AM, "Raymond Macharia" <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hello fellow nanogers, > >>> I am a long time user of Cisco gear and currently evaluating an > >>> alternative > >>> for my network expansion. currently the one that looks like it will be > >>> able > >>> to do the job iare Alcatel-Lucent 7710/7750 service routers. > >>> I am looking for real life experience of those who have used it and > what I > >>> may need to watch out for (if anything) I have seen in some of their > >>> documentation features like Non-stop Services (NSS) and Non-stop > Routing > >>> (NSR). are these features real world deployable. > >>> oh, just to add I want to use the routers as P routers in my IP/MPLS > core > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> -- > >>> Raymond Macharia > >>> > >> > >> > > > -- Raymond Macharia
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