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Re: routing around Sprint's depeering damage
- From: Anders Lindbäck
- Date: Sun Nov 02 14:09:31 2008
I am well aware how retarded this sounds to an average end-user, and
for that I am glad I am not in a buisness where I need to explain it
to them. But experience gained working for a party involved in a
previus Cogent spat I am well aware of what the SLAs and service sold
You can change provider, ask for compensation due to degraded service
and what not, your service is still not defined as delivery to all of
the Internet and nothing changes that fact..
But this discussion is going nowhere, and I dont really care about it
either since a difference between what you buy and what you tought
you bought is not really my problem.. :)
On 2 nov 2008, at 17.10, Joe Greco wrote:
Nice interpretation of my statement..
A reasonable effort and a contractual guarantee are two different
things, a reasonable effort could be defined as economicly feasable
If it isn't economically feasible, then repair your pricing model
it becomes economically feasible.
In some locales, it is actually illegal to sell for below cost.
My point was that in Cogents case this is really a force majeure
situation and in Sprints case unless you have a contract that defines
an SLA with delivery to "the entire Internet" or something similar
you do not really have case to break your contract or sue due to the
de-peering as a breach of contract from Sprints side..
So each and every customer has to negotiate with the Internet Service
Provider to guarantee access to "the entire Internet"? You can't just
approach an "Internet Service Provider" and expect that they provide
you with the capability to connect to the Internet?
When was the last time you went to a car dealership, bought a car, and
they didn't include the gas tank, or tires, or seatbelts? "Oh, yeah,
we've determined that it's economically more feasible to provide your
car without a steering wheel. You can buy a different brand of car
the street if you happened to need a steering wheel."
Do you begin to understand how retarded this sort of thing sounds
Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://
"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance
[and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-
With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too