Re: routing around Sprint's depeering damage

* Anders Lindbäck · * Sun Nov 02 10:53:40 2008

Nice interpretation of my statement..
A reasonable effort and a contractual guarantee are two different
things, a reasonable effort could be defined as economicly feasable
for instance.
My point was that in Cogents case this is really a force majeure
situation and in Sprints case unless you have a contract that defines
an SLA with delivery to "the entire Internet" or something similar
you do not really have case to break your contract or sue due to the
de-peering as a breach of contract from Sprints side..
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Anders Lindbäck
[email protected]
On 2 nov 2008, at 16.39, Joe Greco wrote:
Well, selling you an "unlimited" account and them terminating that
contract if you use "to much" is one thing, that is a stated lack of
a limit in your contract.
There is no delivery guarantee of your IP packets in your contract,
adding one would be a rather bad idea since there is no delivery
guarantee in IP that your service is based on and that would open a
carrier to liabilities if someone was using a firewall for instance
since that is effectivly limiting your delivery to that machine.
What you are buying is access to Sprints network, and transit
effectivly on Sprints view of the Internet, and that is what they
deliver really..

Based on that logic, it sounds like a fine time for me to get into the

wireless market. I can save a ton of money by getting a 56k dialup
line

to $9.95/mo-company as an upstream connection, and just saying that I

don't guarantee delivery of packets, and if my upstream service gets

terminated for some reason, hey, my view of the Internet is pretty
small.
Come on. Really, an ISP has to make a reasonable effort to be able to

reach other arbitrary destinations on the Internet. That they
might not

be able to promise access to obscure networks in the farthest portions

of China on the end of two tin cans and a string is obvious. But when

they can't get traffic across the street because they're actively

buggering routes from an AS, well, that's different.
... JG

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