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Re: the Intercage mess

  • From: Eric Brunner-Williams
  • Date: Thu Sep 25 00:15:08 2008

Randy Bush wrote:
John Bambenek wrote:
When there is no law to speak of all that is left is tribal justice.

this way lies lynch mobs


shall we at least apply a vernier of civilization?

randy



While I appreciate the points both you and John are attempting to make, as someone who is engaged in tribal government, and peripheral to the tribal legal community (I ran the TribalLaw list for years), I suggest there are rhetorical alternatives.

You may be amused that in Ex Parte Crow Dog, the USSC found in 1883 that it had no jurisdiction over the tribal court which tried, convicted, and sentenced Crow Dog for the killing of Spotted Tail. The sentence for that homicide (a political one in the context of factionalism during the onset of the Brule Sioux captivity) imposed by the tribal court was not death by hanging (payment was made to the tiospaye (kin) of the former, treaty signing principal chief). The following year Congress enacted the Major Crimes Act so that "an eye for an eye" would be the law in Indian Country. Note, not only did this extend Judeo-Christian reciprocity to offenses between tribal members, it also guaranteed death to any Indians who punished a "treaty signer" for providing the legal excuse for private and non-member expropriation of collectively held land.

More modernly, tribal courts seem to be better at substance abuse sentencing, based on outcomes, than non-tribal courts. I know some tribal jurists who'd be tickled pink to be asked to talk to a room of network people on tribal legal institutions and issues at Minneapolis.

I've been following this because of the trust anchor problem discussed elsewhere for address and AS allocation, and the NS and A record manifestation of some exploits that require sets of addresses, though not necessarily colocated within one or few address allocations or routed to one or few ASs, again, discussed elsewhere.

Cheers,
Eric