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Re: BCP38 dismissal

  • From: Patrick W. Gilmore
  • Date: Thu Sep 04 13:28:08 2008
On Sep 4, 2008, at 1:14 PM, james wrote:
On Sep 4, 2008, at 7:24 AM, James Jun wrote: 
Indeed... In today's internet, protecting your own box
(cp-policer/  control
plane filtering) is far more important IMO than
implementing BCP38   when much
of attack traffic comes from legitimate IP sources
anyway (see   botnets).



I'm sorry, but nonsense statements such as these burn the
blood.    Sure, yes, protecting yourself is so much more
important than   protecting anyone else.

Anyone else want to stand up and join the "I am an
asshole" club?



OK, I'm an asshole.
I'm sure BCP38 can prove to be useful, but I'll never drop
my shields.

I am pretty certain James was not suggesting you "drop your shields". My understanding is he thinks anyone who -only- protects their own router CPUs, but lets random packets leave their network with fake source addresses for other networks is an ass hole (shields up or not).

Assuming that is what he meant, I agree with him.

Now, would you care to reiterate your ass-hole-ness and admit to 10s of 1000s of your closest friends that you let your users attack them (and me!) in undetectable ways, make things like the Kaminsky DNS vulnerability possible, etc.?

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TTFN,
patrick