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RE: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

  • From: Steve Gibbard
  • Date: Fri May 23 20:53:17 2008
I hesitate to weigh in here, but my observation after several years of doing a fair bit of traveling to a wide variety of places is this: In any big city, anywhere in the world, there will be plenty of people ready with lectures on how "this is a big city, and is therefore a dangerous place. You need to be careful." Often, this will be repeated with escalating tones of alarm if it becomes clear that I've been ignoring it. Sometimes the claim will be that their city is especially dangerous, and sometimes the claim will be that it's dangerous just like any other big city. Sometimes it takes on the form of "this is a really safe city, but don't go out at night." It doesn't matter. Some cities really are dangerous, and some seem quite safe, but there's no quantifiable difference between lectures received in places that really are dangerous and places that aren't.

-Steve

On Fri, 23 May 2008, Paul Stewart wrote:

A lot of it is common sense - New York is a GREAT city .. no question
and very safe overall.  But common sense will tell you not to take a
leisure walk through Harlem at 3AM .. having said that, I've walked
through Central Park (65th St.) at various times of the night and never
had a problem, but then again that's different too...

Travel in herds and mind your own business - don't travel at 3AM (on
foot) and you'll be fine..;)  That really goes for any city when you
think about it...

Take care,

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Rubenstein [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:06 PM
To: Rod Beck; David Diaz; Martin Hannigan
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one
of
the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement. 

While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is
like saying "all routers are cisco"

There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the
Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be
overly concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a
herding instinct, there shouldn't be a problem.


New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle,
Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.


Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is
valid.






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