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Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Barry Shein <[email protected]> > wrote: >> The lesson one should get from all this is that the ultimate harm >> of spammers et al is that they are succeeding in corrupting the >> idea of a standards-based internet. huh? i think that, with their attacks, they are actually helping to drive improvements in the standards. of course, the disfunction of the standards organizations does not make this as clean a process and as much of a win as it could be. but considering that security was not very thoroughly designed in the original standards, we're not doing all that badly. it's always gonna be a chase. > The lesson here is that different groups at the same ISPs go to > different places i am not sure that is so much a lesson as an observation. the lesson may be, in part, that this is sub-optimal. can it be changed? how? > Packet pushers go to *NOG. And the abuse desks mostly all go to > MAAWG. And any CERTs / security types the ISP has go to FIRST and > related events. And most of them never do coordinate internally, run > by different groups probably in different cities ... "dear coo/ceo/whomever: i want approval to send the five folk who go to nanog, and the five folk who go to maawg, and the five folk who go to first to *all* go to the new frobnitz joint conference." think that'll fly? otoh, being on the frobnitz program committee would be an interesting lesson and exercise in industry physics. when i first joined acm ('67), i could keep up with a significant portion of the literature. now i maybe see a single digit percentage. the field has broadened. the ops and other applied areas have similarly broadened and specialized. we are victims of our own success. randy
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