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RE: NXDOMAIN data needed for survey
- From: Tomas L. Byrnes
- Date: Fri Mar 28 13:09:59 2008
What's more funny is that googling "Ray Demain" only brings
up lots of posts from you looking for NXDOMAIN data.
What's your real name? Who do YOU work for? Who funds that
company?
Before you go accusing others of subterfuge and conspiracy,
be up front about who you are, what you're about, and what you plan on doing
with the data.
Bill,
Isn't it funny though that OpenDNS is funded by the
same group who funded Paxfire?
www.minorventures.com
OpenDNS
can be an angel on one shoulder while Paxfire is on the other,
right?
Ray
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 9:09 PM, bill fumerola < [email protected]> wrote:
[
disclaimer: i work for opendns. ]
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 05:53:15PM -0400, Martin
Hannigan wrote: > > I think it's best that we let David
Ulevitch and the crew @ OpenDNS make > > the money that is to
be made off this. He's doing good while doing well. > > Why
shouldn't anyone be able to "make the money"? The problem with > that
post wasn't that he was advocating law breaking, it was that it's > a
marketing missive and inconsistent with community norms, IMHO. That >
doesn't mean that it's illegal, and it certainly doesn't mean it's
ok > for one "good guy" to be allowed to profit and one unknown not
to. > Setting classes of who can profit from NXDOMAIN data
creates > unfairness in the system and it should be all or
none.
now that our name has been brought into this, i think
it's only fair to say: the NXDOMAIN data we know about is when a user's
resolver asks our recursive servers for a record and NXDOMAIN is the end
result of what our resolvers discover.
at that point, we
optionally point you at a lander page w/ search results and ads and all
that jazz based on the words in the record you [mis-]typed. note the
optionally. if you want, we'll just return NXDOMAIN. you can configure
this. you can configure it per-ip, per-prefix, etc.
now, on to what
we do or could do with that data:
we do not sell and have never sold
NXDOMAIN data. nor do we register domains based on NXDOMAIN information.
the non-OpenDNS company who sees the original request that produced the
NXDOMAIN that failed (which may or may not even be a valid hostname) is
our advertising partner.
they get that data after we've transformed
the original request into their API to send to them as keywords so they
may return appropriate and relevant ads.
so, to recap: nope, we
don't sell NXDOMAIN data. we don't sell any other data either. yes, some
revenue comes from typos/mistakes. you knew that already. yes, you can
even change that behavior and just get NXDOMAIN. that means your
typos gain us nothing. you get our service for free. yes, you opt-in to
our service in the first place. yes, we have a privacy policy that says
this better than i can.
> What you really want to look at is privacy
policy. Not all of the good > guys are actually good guys in that
respect.
http://www.opendns.com/privacy/
it looks pretty
good to me. i read it before i agreed to employment.
-- billf
>at< opendns.com //
opendns network engineering
p.s. since i rarely if ever post, i have
to make the shameless, shameless plug: <[email protected]>. we're in
peeringdb too.
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