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------------------------------------------------------- Michael Dillon RadianzNet Capacity Forecast & Plan -- BT Design 66 Prescot St., London, E1 8HG, UK Mobile: +44 7900 823 672 Internet: [email protected] Phone: +44 20 7650 9493 Fax: +44 20 7650 9030 http://www.btradianz.com Use the wiki: http://collaborate.intra.bt.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of David Conrad > Sent: 13 March 2008 16:49 > To: Jamie Bowden > Cc: North American Network Operators Group > Subject: Re: cost of dual-stack vs cost of v6-only [Re: IPv6 > on SOHO routers?] > > > Jamie, > > On Mar 13, 2008, at 8:42 AM, Jamie Bowden wrote: > > MS, Apple, Linux, *BSD are ALL dual stack out of the box currently. > > The fact that the kernel may support IPv6 does not mean that > IPv6 is actually usable (as events at NANOG, APRICOT, and the > IETF have shown). There are lots of bits and pieces that are > necessary for mere mortals to actually use IPv6. > > > The core is IPv6/dual stack capable, even if it's not enabled > > everywhere, > > I'm told by some folks who run core networks for a living > that while the routers may sling IPv6 packets as fast or > faster than IPv4, doing > so with ACLs, filter lists, statistics, monitoring, etc., is > lacking. > What's worse, the vendors aren't spinning the ASICs (which > I'm told have a 2 to 3 year lead time from design to being > shipped) necessary to do everything core routers are expected > to do for IPv6 yet. > > > and a large chunk of Asia and Europe are running IPv6 right now. > > I keep hearing this, but could you indicate what parts of > Asia and Europe are running IPv6 right now? I'm aware, for > example, that NTT is using IPv6 for their FLETS service, but > that is an internal transport service not connected to the > Internet. I'm unaware (but would be very interested in > hearing about) any service in Asia or Europe that is seeing > significant IPv6 traffic. > > > The US Govt. is under mandate to transition to v6 by the end of the > > year. > > I thought parts of the USG were under a mandate to be "IPv6 > capable" (whatever that means) by this summer. If there is a > mandate to be running IPv6 within the USG by the end of the > year, people are going to have to get very, very busy very, > very quickly. > > > The > > only bits that are missing right now are the routers and > switches at > > the > > edge, and support from transit providers, > > My understanding is that there are lots of bits and pieces that are > missing in the infrastructure, but that's almost irrelevant. > What is > _really_ missing is content accessible over IPv6 as it > results in the > chicken-or-egg problem: without content, few customers will request > IPv6. Without customer requests for IPv6, it's hard to make the > business case to deploy the infrastructure to support it. Without > infrastructure to support IPv6, it's hard to make the > business case to > deploy content on top of IPv6. > > > and if they're going to keep > > supplying the Fed with gear and connectivity, at least one major > > player > > in those areas of the NA market is going to HAVE to make it happen. > > Remember GOSIP? > > Regards, > -drc > >
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