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Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit
- From: Tom Vest
- Date: Fri Feb 22 10:45:10 2008
On Feb 22, 2008, at 7:54 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
On 22 feb 2008, at 0:55, Tom Vest wrote:
I agree, to a point. My prediction is that when the handful of
mega-ISPs are unable to get the massive quantities of IPv4
addresses they need (a few dozen account for 90% of all
consumption in the ARIN region)...
I keep reading assertions like this. Is there any public,
authoritative evidence to support this claim?
You can download files with all the delegation info from ftp.arin.net.
You mean the stats files, which provide delegation date, type,
starting number, length, etc.?
Which one of the published fields is the key field that enables you
to identify the common recipient(s) of successive delegations over time?
I'm assuming that the quoted 90% figure is some kind of aggregate
(anything else would be pretty arbitrary), but I don't see anything
in the public record that suggests how that aggregate might be
produced...?
If there is, is this 90% figure a new development, or rather the
product of changes in ownership (e.g., MCI-VZ-UU, SBC-ATT, etc.),
changes in behavior (a run on the bank), some combination of the
two, or something else altogether?
No, simply because large ISPs need lots of addresses, everyone else
can make do with just a few.
But in the absence of some other metric for largeness, that sounds
like a tautology. Large ISPs are the ones that demand lots of
addresses... ergo to demand a lot of addresses is to be large...
My question is not an entirely uninformed one. I'm quite familiar
with the public stats. I just don't see how they transparently
support this claim.
Clarification would be greatly appreciated,
TV
On 22 feb 2008, at 10:24, Roland Perry wrote:
I would not be surprised to learn that "consumption in the ARIN
region" includes all the legacy assignments.
By definition, no new legacy assignments are given out. :-)
So simply looking at recent data will correct for this.
So the quoted metric may well be true, but as unhelpful as
claiming that "MIT has more address space than the whole of
China" (as some people do from time to time).
Which is complete nonsense. MIT has 18/8, which is a little under
17 million addresses. I'm assuming that whatever else on top of
that they have doesn't amount to a significant number. China is
eating up IPv4 address space like it's going out of style (hm...)
and they're now the third largest holder with 140 million IPv4
addresses, a hair shy of Japan's 142 million and 1/10th of the US's
1411 million.
On 22 feb 2008, at 10:31, Randy Bush wrote:
dear arin hostfolk. could we please have the histogram for the
last few years where the Y axis is the amount of allocation and
the X axis is the number of organizations with that total size of
new allocations during the period? you'll have to bucket alloc
size in some useful way, probably a /16 or shorter or something.
I can't see organizations in ARIN's delegation records, but simply
counting delegations and rounding sizes to the closest power of 2
results this for 20070101 - now:
+------+-------------+--------+
| size | delegations | Maddrs |
+------+-------------+--------+
| 10 | 2 | 6.82 |
| 11 | 5 | 11.27 |
| 12 | 6 | 6.14 |
| 13 | 6 | 2.96 |
| 14 | 5 | 1.14 |
| 15 | 12 | 1.58 |
| 16 | 24 | 1.53 |
| 17 | 27 | 0.87 |
| 18 | 51 | 0.82 |
| 19 | 110 | 0.90 |
| 20 | 474 | 1.94 |
| 21 | 227 | 0.46 |
| 22 | 415 | 0.42 |
| 23 | 1 | 0.00 |
| 24 | 11 | 0.00 |
+------+-------------+--------+
Totals:
+-------------+--------+
| delegations | Maddrs |
+-------------+--------+
| 1376 | 36.86 |
+-------------+--------+
I.e., /18 or shorter is 134 delegations (10%) and 33.08 million
addresses (90%).
However, ARIN has the unfortunate practice of backdating
delegations when people come back for more address space and the
new and old blocks can form a bigger block. Below the same numbers
but with logic that tries to correct for this, which makes it
impossible to easily show the correct numbers of delegations and
addresses in one table:
+------+-------------+
| size | delegations |
+------+-------------+
| 8 | 1 |
| 10 | 4 |
| 11 | 13 |
| 12 | 12 |
| 13 | 12 |
| 14 | 17 |
| 15 | 35 |
| 16 | 38 |
| 17 | 61 |
| 18 | 95 |
| 19 | 222 |
| 20 | 440 |
| 21 | 231 |
| 22 | 425 |
| 23 | 5 |
| 24 | 13 |
+------+-------------+
+------+--------+
| size | Maddrs |
+------+--------+
| 8 | 3.15 |
| 10 | 7.34 |
| 11 | 16.58 |
| 12 | 8.37 |
| 13 | 2.74 |
| 14 | 1.39 |
| 15 | 3.31 |
| 16 | 0.14 |
| 17 | 1.12 |
| 18 | 0.84 |
| 19 | 1.39 |
| 20 | 1.27 |
| 21 | 0.47 |
| 22 | 0.43 |
| 23 | 0.00 |
| 24 | 0.00 |
+------+--------+
Total delegations: 1624, millions of addresses: 48.55.
/18 or more: 195 (12%), 44.16 (91%).
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