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Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit
- From: Owen DeLong
- Date: Tue Feb 19 21:58:01 2008
I would like to encourage everyone engaging in this discussion here to
discussion over to the ARIN PPML and talk about the policy.
It's great to talk about it on NANOG , and, indeed, many members of
the ARIN AC
are on this list. However, the rest of the ARIN community should also
comments, and, that is technically the correct forum for addressing
On Feb 19, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Geoff Huston wrote:
David Conrad wrote:
On Feb 19, 2008, at 4:28 AM, Joe Maimon wrote:
When IANA free pool exhaustion happens or even appears to be
imminent, one can expect push for allocation policies to be
changed drastically towards the miserly.
The RIR bureaucracy is a ponderous ship that turns very slowly and
has multiple captains who do not necessarily agree on the direction
to turn. IPv4 allocation policy revisions aren't going to save us.
A collaborative bottom-up consensus-based policy determination
framework is a ponderous ship that turns ... [etc]. The problem is
not necessarily in the machine room that implements these address
allocation policies but in the process of determining policies that
all interested parties can live with. It takes time. Probably more
time than you have left.
So even if there are a flurry of last minute policy proposals to
salvage the situation it may well be a case of too little too late.
The question is how ARIN will deal with the market after the
IPv4 free pool exhausts.
I would suggest that the real question is "How will industry deal
with the situation when the current supply streams for IPv4 vaporize?"
And the secondary question is "Will the industry's reaction to this
shift in the supply of addresses destroy the integrity and utility
of the entire IPv4 space?"
What I'm gettting at is that if there is no mechanism in whatever
industry does for address supply after the unallocated pool exhausts
to preserve the essential attribute of the address system, namely
uniqueness of use, and we start to see competing claims to be able
to use addresses without any agreed framework of resolution, then
what happens to the Internet? Do we all just originate whatever
addresses we feel like on the day in to the routing system?
Yep. And the question is: as an ISP or other address consuming
organization, what will you do when the cost of obtaining IPv4
addresses skyrockets? So far, as far as I can tell, the answer to
that question (in most cases) has been putting hands over ears and
saying "La la la" loudly. See <http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/020608-ipv4-address-depletion.html