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I suppose that this is easier said than done. I doubt whether those "hording" IP space all allocate them in a uniform contiguous manner so even if there was sufficient monitory incentive I wonder whether it would be worth it trying to renumber an entire network so as to "sell" a whole contiguous block. This introduces the complexity that not just any IP block will do but it has to satisfy certain conditions, which complicates things even further. The amount of disruptions in the process of renumbering would erode the perceived gains very quickly. But let us see what the meeting will yield. Raymond Macharia Head of Engineering AccessKenya Email: [email protected] Web: http://www.accesskenya.com/ Communications Solutions Ltd 4th Floor | Museum Hill Centre P.O. Box 43588 - 00100 | Nairobi From: Rod Beck [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 2008-02-18 20:06 To: John Lee; Raymond Macharia; NANOG list Subject: RE: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit Hi John, I think that comment is way out of line. In fact, I met at LINX one of authors of a trading proposal. They are smart, well educated individuals. Markets have proven to be excellent mechanisms for allocating resources fairness is a distinct issue) and might be the medication required given the apparent hoarding of IP addresses. Nor is the trading of IP addresses inconsistent with ARIN ownership. Regards, Roderick S. Beck Director of European Sales Hibernia Atlantic 1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com Wireless: 1-212-444-8829. Landline: 33-1-4346-3209. French Wireless: 33-6-14-33-48-97. AOL Messenger: GlobalBandwidth [email protected] [email protected] ``Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.'' Albert Einstein. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] on behalf of John Lee Sent: Mon 2/18/2008 4:45 PM To: Raymond Macharia; NANOG list Subject: RE: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit Distribution: This "idea" comes from clueless individuals who want to know "who owns the Internet"? When I worked at Enron Broadband Services "the crooked E", management wanted to buy PSInet so that "we" could developed a trading desk for IP address blocks. We informed management that neither EBS or PSInet owned their IP addresses but rented them from ARIN. And when the organization indicates that IP addresses are no longer needed, they can be returned to ARIN or ARIN can come and get them from the organization per ARIN AUP and other policies that users signed when making a request to ARIN. (Review a court case several years ago, about a company going into bankruptcy, I believe, claiming that "their" IP addresses were part of the assets of the company...) Now for those who could not follow the last paragraph, the analogy is when you were young and renting your apartment or house and you wanted to make money selling one of the rooms of your rented apartment or house. So anyone with spare /16 or larger send the blocks back to ARIN so they can be good stewards of the diminishing resource. John (ISDN) Lee I Still Don't kNow It Suites Dennis's Needs ________________________________ From: [email protected] on behalf of Raymond Macharia Sent: Mon 2/18/2008 8:39 AM To: 'NANOG list' Subject: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit Hello the article here http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/021308-ipv6-delay.html is an interesting read given the current state of IPv4 depletion/IPv6 conversion operational climate. As it is indicated, it's a proposal and there are considerations as to whether it makes things better or worse. Regards Raymond Macharia
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