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[admin] Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks? and Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads

  • From: Alex Pilosov
  • Date: Mon Oct 22 01:11:22 2007

[note that this post also relates to the thread Re: Comcast blocking p2p 

While both discussions started out as operational, most of the mail
traffic is things that are not very much related to technology or

To clarify, things like these are on-topic:

* Whether p2p protocols are "well-behaved", and how can we help making 
them behave.

* Filtering "non-behaving" applications, whether these are worms or p2p 

* Helping p2p authors write protocols that are topology- and

These are on-topic, but all arguments for and against have already been
made. Unless you have something new and insightful to say, please avoid
continuing conversations about these subjects:

* ISPs should[n't] have enough capacity to accomodate any application, no 
matter how well or badly behaved
* ISPs should[n't] charge per byte
* ISPs should[n't] have bandwidth caps
* Legality of blocking and filtering

These are clearly off-topic:
* End-user comments about their particular MSO/ISP, pricing, etc. 
* Morality of blocking and filtering

As a guideline, if you can expect a presentation at nanog conference about
something, it belongs on the list. If you can't, it doesn't. It is a clear
distinction. In addition, keep in mind that this is the "network
operators" mailing list, *not* the end-user mailing list.

Marty Hannigan (MLC member) already made a post on the "Comcast blocking
p2p uploads"  asking to stick to the operational content (vs, politics and
morality of blocking p2p application), but people still continue to make
non-technical comments.

Accordingly, to increase signal/noise (as applied to network operations)  
MLC (that's us, the team who moderate this mailing list) won't hesitate to
warn posters who ignore the limits set by AUP and guidance set up by MLC.

If you want to discuss this moderation request, please do so on 

-alex [mlc chair]