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Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas?
> On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, Mark Newton wrote: > > Thought experiment: With $250 per megabit per month transit and $30 - > > $50 per month tail costs, what would _you_ do to create the perfect > > internet industry? > > I would fix the problem, ie get more competition into these two areas > where the prices are obvisouly way higher than in most parts of the > civilised world, much higher than is motivated by the placement there in > the middle of an ocean. > > Perhaps it's hard to get the transoceanic cost down to european levels, > but a 25 time difference, that's just too much. That's approximately correct. The true answer to the thought experiment is "address those problems, don't continue to blindly pay those costs and complain about how unique your problems are." Because the problems are neither unique nor new - merely ingrained. People have solved them before. > And about the local tail, that's also 5-10 times higher than normal in the > western world, I don't see that being motivated by some fundamental > difference. The fundamental difference is that it's owned by a monopoly. Here in the US, we wrestled with Mark's problems around a decade ago, when transit was about that expensive, and copper cost big bucks. There was a lot of fear and paranoia about selling DSL lines for a fraction of what the cost of the circuit if provided with committed bandwidth would cost. The whole Info Superhighway thing was supposed to result in a national infrastructure that provided residential users with 45Mbps to-the-home capabilities on a carrier-neutral network built by the telcos. These promises by the telcos were carefully and incrementally revoked, while the incentives we provided to the telcos remained. As a result, we're now in a situation where the serious players are really the ILEC and the cable companies, and they've shut out the CLEC's from any reasonable path forward. Despite this, wholesale prices did continue to drop. Somehow, amazingly, the ILEC found it possible to provide DSL at extremely competitive prices. Annoyingly, a bit lower than "wholesale" costs... $14.99/mo for 768K DSL, $19.99/mo for 1.5M, etc. They're currently feeling the heat from Road Runner, whose prices tend towards being a bit more expensive, but speeds tend towards better too. :-) Anyways, as displeased as I may be with the state of affairs here in the US, it is worth noting that the speeds continue to improve, and projects such as U-verse and FIOS are promising to deliver higher bandwidth to the user, and maintain pressure on the cable companies for them to do better as well. US providers do not seem to be doing significant amounts of DPI or other policy to manage bandwidth consumption. That doesn't mean that there's no overcommit crisis, but right now, limits on upload speeds appear to combine with a lack of killer centralized content distribution apps and as a result, the situation is stable. My interest in this mainly relates to how these things will impact the Internet in the future, and I see some possible problems developing. I do believe that video-over-IP is a coming thing, and I see a very scary (for network operators) scenario of needing to sustain much greater levels of traffic, as podcast-like video delivery is something that would be a major impact. Right now, both the ILEC and the cable company appear to be betting that they'll continue to drive the content viewing of their customers through broadcast, and certainly that's the most efficient model we've found, but it only works for "popular" stuff. That still leaves a wildly large void for a new service model. The question of whether or not such a thing can actually be sustained by the Internet is fascinating, and whether or not it'll crush current network designs. With respect to the AU thing, it would be interesting to know whether or not the quotas in AU have acted to limit the popularity of services such as YouTube (my guess would be an emphatic yes), as I see YouTube as being a precursor to video things-to-come. Looking at whether or not AU has stifled new uses for the Internet, or has otherwise impacted the way users use the Internet, could be interesting and potentially valuable information to futurists and even other operators. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.