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On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 01:57:15PM +0000, Paul Vixie wrote: > > > On Oct 1, 2007, at 9:15 AM, John Curran wrote: > > > What happens if folks can somehow obtain IPv4 address blocks > > > but the cumulative route load from all of these non-hierarchical > > > blocks prevents ISP's from routing them? > > [email protected] (David Conrad) writes: > > Presumably, the folks with the non-hierarchical address space that > > might get filtered would have potentially limited connectivity (as > > opposed to no connectivity if they didn't have IPv4 addresses). > > i had a totally different picture in my head, which was of a rolling > outage of routers unable to cope with "full routing" in the face of > this kind of unaggregated/nonhierarchical table, followed by a surge > of bankruptcies and mergers and buyouts as those without access to > sufficient new-router capital gave way to those with such access, > followed by another surge of bankruptcies and mergers as those who > thought they had access to such capital couldn't make their payments. > > call me a glass-half-full kind of guy, but the picture in my head in > response to john's question is of a whole lot of network churn as the > community jointly answers the question "who can still play in this > world?" rather than "how useful will those new routes really be?" > internet economics don't admit the possibility of not-full-routes, and > so david's view that nonhierarchical routes won't be as useful as > hierarchical makes me wonder, what isp anywhere will stay in business > while not routing "everything" if other isp's can route "everything"? > > we're all in this stew pot together. > -- > Paul Vixie stewing melds flavors, i hope we have a good chef. that said, i'm kind of leaning toward what i think of as DRC's view... but to clarify, can you tell me the economic incentive to carry route prefixes that you will only ever use to accept SPAM? --bill
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