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North American Network Operators Group Date Prev | Date Next | Date Index | Thread Index | Author Index | Historical Re: [ppml] too many variables
John Paul Morrison wrote: > Can't any network problem can be solved by adding another layer of > indirection? > > Don't all the various nodes in a system simply "disappear" when another > technology comes along to organize, replace and manage the problem > differently? With iBGP there's been confederations and route-reflectors > to divide the problem into smaller pieces, even MPLS to remove a lot of > the scalability issues. > > But perhaps in the future, after many more consolidations and > bankruptcies, there may only be a couple of major carriers left. This > would solve a lot of BGP decision making algorithms. Not if one of them is covad... > You'd either go with the Red ISP or the Blue ISP, just like politics! Leaving most stake holders poorly served just as they are by blue party red party. I don't think hoping for a high level of monopoly consolidation to address the issue of table growth is reasonable. As an enterprise or individual I'm still going to choose both meaning my stub-AS and address space will continue to consume slots in the routing table. > > > > Paul Vixie wrote: >>>> ... is that system level (combinatorial) effects would limit Internet >>>> routing long before moore's law could do so. >>>> >>> It is an easy derivative/proxy for the system level effect is all. Bandwidth >>> for updates (inter and intra system) are another choking point but folks >>> tend to be even less aware of those than cpu. >>> >> >> is bandwidth the only consideration? number of graph nodes and number of >> advertised endpoints and churn rate per endpoint don't enter into the limits? >> at what system size does speed of light begin to enter into the equation? >> >> (note, as i told geoff huston: if it seems like john scudder's outbound BGP >> announcement compression observations are relevant, or that moore's law is >> relevant, then you're misunderstanding my question or i'm asking it wrong.) >> _______________________________________________ >> PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy >> Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/ppml Please contact the ARIN Member Services >> Help Desk at [email protected] if you experience any issues. >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy > Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/ppml Please contact the ARIN Member Services > Help Desk at [email protected] if you experience any issues.
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