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Re: Security gain from NAT

  • From: Jason Lewis
  • Date: Mon Jun 04 21:31:41 2007


I figured SMB would chime in...but his research says it's not so anonymous.


http://illuminati.coralcdn.org/docs/bellovin.fnat.pdf

jas

Colm MacCarthaigh wrote:
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 11:47:15AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
*No* security gain?  No protection against port scans from Bucharest?
No protection for a machine that is used in practice only on the
local, office LAN?  Or to access a single, corporate Web site?

Correct. There's nothing you get from NAT in that respect that you do
not get from good stateful inspection firewalls. NONE whatsoever.

Argueably the instant hit of IP source anononymity you get with NAT is a security benefit (from the point of view of the user). Of course these days there all sorts of fragment and timing analyses that will allow you to determine origin commonality behind NAT, but it's nowhere near as convenient as a public IP address.

A non-NAT stateful firewall can't simulate that, you need high-rotation
dhcp or similar to get close. Although IPv6 privacy addresses rock :-)

The argument can go either way, you can spin it as a benefit for the
network operator ("wow, user activity and problems are now more readily
identifiable and trackable") or you can see it as an organisational
privacy issue ("crap, now macrumors can tell that the CEO follows them
obsessively").


NAT is still evil though, the problems it causes operationally are
just plain not worth it.