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Re: Thoughts on increasing MTUs on the internet

  • From: Warren Kumari
  • Date: Thu Apr 12 12:19:26 2007


On Apr 12, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Gian Constantine wrote:

I agree. The throughput gains are small. You're talking about a difference between a 4% header overhead versus a 1% header overhead (for TCP).

One of the "benefits" of larger MTU is that, during the additive increase phase, or after recovering from congestion, you reach full speed sooner --  it does also mean that if you do reach congestion, you throw away more data, and, because of the length of flows, are probably more likely to cause congestion...



One could argue a decreased pps impact on intermediate systems, but when factoring in the existing packet size distribution on the Internet and the perceived adjustment seen by a migration to 4470 MTU support, the gains remain small.t 


Development costs and the OpEx costs of implementation and support will, likely, always outweigh the gains.

Gian Anthony Constantine


On Apr 12, 2007, at 7:50 AM, Saku Ytti wrote:


On (2007-04-12 11:20 +0200), Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:

What do you guys think about a mechanism that allows hosts and  
routers on a subnet to automatically discover the MTU they can use  
towards other systems on the same subnet, so that:
1. It's no longer necessary to limit the subnet MTU to that of the  
least capable system

2. It's no longer necessary to manage 1500 byte+ MTUs manually

To me this sounds adding complexity for rather small pay-off. And
then we'd have to ask IXP people, would the enable this feature
if it was available? If so, why don't they offer high MTU VLAN
today?
And in the end, pay-off of larger MTU is quite small, perhaps
some interrupts are saved but not sure how relevant that is
in poll() based NIC drivers. Of course bigger pay-off
would be that users could use tunneling and still offer 1500
to LAN.

IXP peeps, why are you not offering high MTU VLAN option?
From my point of view, this is biggest reason why we today
generally don't have higher end-to-end MTU.
I know that some IXPs do, eg. NetNOD but generally it's
not offered even though many users would opt to use it.

Thanks,
-- 
  ++ytti


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