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RE: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)
Free WIFI is just a joke anyway. Most of the time when someone is referring to wanting or providing free WIFI, they don't really know what they're talking about. People like free and people dislike being tethered, thus all of the buzz around free WIFI. --Mike -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:45 AM To: Joe Abley Cc: Todd Vierling; Roland Dobbins; NANOG list Subject: Re: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd) On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:15:30 EDT, Joe Abley said: > This conversation has suddenly become very weird. I suggest you go > and spend a year on Niue before you decide to make claims that > anywhere in the US is as remote (and, for the record, there are no > cables which land in Niue, fat or otherwise). We're specifically talking about the connection from where the end of the fat pipe is, be it a fiberoptic or copper or a satellite dish, and where the user is. Craig Mountain: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=37.0836&lon=-80.3281&datum=nad27&u=4&lay er=DRG&size=l&s=50 About 2 square miles, almost all trees. All the houses are marked (the little squares). How many towers do you need? How many are economically viable, especially for "free" wifi? http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&z=12&ll=37.198612,-80.407562&spn=0.19115 6,0.395164&t=h&om=1 To be fair, you can probably get away with hand-waving away trying to provide coverage to all the green areas - they're forested because they're too steep for either farming or building houses on, so it isn't like you will be cutting off a lot of people. > about it not being there (hi, Rich!). Do the 70k people that are > "easy to cover" in Montgomery County have free wifi? If it's so easy, > why not? It's hard to find somebody who will underwrite the cost of free wifi. You can't even ask the local government to do it, because they respond with "But we got everybody online on copper a *decade* ago". http://www.bev.net/about/history.php (That page dates back to 2002 or so - we got out of the ISDN business around then. Uptake rates are even higher now) We wired the town up. We're not feeling real motivated to un-wire it. Somebody wants to come in and get bits to that last 10% that none of the dozen ISPs with presences in the county have found economical ways to reach, they're welcome to do so.