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Re: botnets: web servers, end-systems and Vint Cerf

  • From: Gadi Evron
  • Date: Fri Feb 16 22:12:20 2007

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, J. Oquendo wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > You misunderstand. The problem of securing machines *IS* solved. It is
> > possible. It is regularly done with servers connected to the Internet.
> > There is no *COMPUTING* problem or technical problem.
> > The problem of the 100 million machines is a social or business problem.
> > We know how they can be secured, but the solution is not being
> > implemented.
> >
> > --Michael Dillon
> >   
> After all these years, I'm still surprised a consortium of ISP's haven't 
> figured out a way to do something a-la Packet Fence for their clients 

A walled garden? Surprisingly, despite little faith on NANOG, quite a few
ISPs are now employing these technologies and saving money.


> where - whenever an infected machine is detected after logging in, that 
> machine is thrown into say a VLAN with instructions on how to clean 
> their machines before they're allowed to go further and stay online. If 
> you ask me, traffic providers (NSP's/NAP's) and ISP's don't mind this 
> garbage coming out of their networks, if they did they'd actually ban 
> together and do something about it. Its obvious those charging for 
> traffic will say little. Minimized traffic means minimized revenue. All 
> I see is "No we despise that kind of traffic" along with a shrug and 
> nothing being done about it. I'm sure if some legislative body somewhere 
> started levying fines against providers, the net would be a cleaner 
> place. For comments on 100 million infected machines... Doubtable. 
> Anyone can play fuzzy math games, heck I just strangely figured out that 
> MS is costing me an arm and a leg!
> -- 
> ====================================================
> J. Oquendo
> sil . infiltrated @ net
> The happiness of society is the end of government.
> John Adams