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On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Fergie wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Well, I'm going to add my $.02 here, too, and I don't care who > likes it or not. :-) > > I know Vint, and I've known Vint for a long time. > > He's a smart guy. And he's right. > > Why is he right? > > Because he got in front of the folks who actually _can_ manage > this problem, and that is the people (actually the NGOs) who > have the monetary and fiduciary duty to begin looking at problems > at the financial loss level. > > If you think that these problems are going to solely resolved on > a technical basis, you're delusional. > > Rock on, Vint. I actually agree 100%, I made no run on Vint Cerf or on Google. I believe I even said the same things as you. Only I also asked some questions "while we are on the subject of". Sorry for that misunderstanding. I should have stated that one better. Gadi. > > - - ferg > > > - -- Gadi Evron <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Feb 2007, Peter Moody wrote: > > > I kept quiet on this for a while, but honestly, I appreciate Vint Cerf > > > mentioning this where he did, and raising awareness among people who > > > can potentially help us solve the problem of the Internet. > > > > > > Still, although I kept quiet for a while, us so-called "botnet > > > experts" gotta ask: where does he get his numbers? I would appreciate > > > some backing up to these or I'd be forced to call him up on his > > > statement. > > > > > > My belief is that it is much worse. I am capable of proving only > > > somewhat worse. His numbers are still staggering so.. where why when > > > how what? (not necessarily in that order). > > > > > > So, data please Vint/Google. > > > > > > > > Dr. Cerf wasn't speaking for Google when he said this, so I'm not sure > > why > > Okay, thansk for clarifying that. :) > > > you're looking that direction for answers. But since you ask, his data > > came from informal conversations with A/V companies and folks actually in > > the > > Interesting. > > > trenches of dealing with botnet ddos mitigation. The numbers weren't > > taken > > Botnet trenches? Yes, I suppose the analogy to World War I is correct. I > should know, I was there (metaphorically speaking). My guess is, if we are > to follow this analogy, we are now just before the invention of the tank > now in 2007, but oh well. > > > from any sort of scientific study, and they were in fact mis-quoted (he > > said more like 10%-20%). > > Interesting. > > <snip poison> > > <snip more poison> > > > (my opinions != my employer's, etc. etc.) > > > > Many thanks, > > > Cheers, > > .peter > > Gadi. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP Desktop 9.5.3 (Build 5003) > > wj8DBQFF1UQFq1pz9mNUZTMRApjPAKDmKCfWqAbn6k8Qpks+hNlHrpqLQQCg6axq > YQaCMxuU8co3TawE6nsOWaw= > =OYij > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > -- > "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson > Engineering Architecture for the Internet > fergdawg(at)netzero.net > ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/ > >
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