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> B) Threaten the bogon list operator with a lawsuit for falsely claiming your > addresses are bogons and hope they take the simplest path and fix their > list. > > This is a pretty classic case of someone inducing other people to rely on > the accuracy of their data and then offering incorrect data (not arguably > incorrect, manifestly incorrect and most likely negligently so) which those > other people then rely on. It's not just incorrect data. The design of the system used by completewhois is flawed at the core. They only know that certain address ranges are "bogons" at a certain point in time. If their system only reported this fact along with the date for which it is known to be valid, then they would likely win any lawsuits for incorrect data. The fact is, that you can only know that an address range is a bogon at the point in time which you check it and that it WAS a bogon for some past period. For most bogons, it is not possible to predict the future time period during which it will remain a bogon. Any protocol which does not allow the address range to be presented along with the LAST TIME IT WAS CHECKED is simply not suitable for presenting a bogon list. BGP simply is not suitable for this. HTTP/REST, XML-RPC or LDAP could be used to make a suitable protocol. But even better would be to not have any bogons at all. If IANA and the RIRs would step up to the plate and provide an authoritative data source identifying which address ranges have been issued for use on the Internet then bogon lists would not be needed at all. And if people plug their systems into the RIR data feed, then there would be fewer issues when the RIRs start issuing addresses from a new block. IANA would be the authoritative source for stuff like RFC 1918 address ranges and other non-RIR ranges. One wonders whether it might not be more effective in the long run to sue ICANN/IANA rather than suing completewhois.com. --Michael Dillon P.S. As any lawyer will tell you, it is a good idea to make some attempt at solving your issue outside of the courts. Anyone contemplating a lawsuit against ICANN should probably try emailing them and writing a few letters first. Since they are a somewhat democratic structure, it may be possible to get this fixed without lawsuits.
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