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Re: [Fwd: RE: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

  • From: Steve Gibbard
  • Date: Mon Sep 11 14:58:52 2006

On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Chris Jester wrote:

Also, what about ARINS hardcore attitude making it near impossible
to aquire ip space, even when you justify it's use?  I have had
nightmares myself as well as MANY of my collegues share similar experiences.
I am having an issue right now with a UNIVERSITY in Mexico tryin to get
ip's from the mexican counterpart.  Why is it that they involve lawyers,
ask you all your customers names and etc... This is more information than
I think they should be requiring. Any company that wishes to engage in
business as an ISP or provider in some capacity should be granted the
right to their own ip space. We cannot trust using ips swipped to us by
upstreams and the like. Its just not safe to do that and you lose control.

Actually, is there anyone else who shares these nightmares with me?
I brought up the lawsuit with Kremen and ARIN to see if this is a common
issue.  What are your views, and can someone share nightmare stories?
Having successfully been through the ARIN application process several times, on behalf of a few different organizations, and watched others both succeed and fail, it doesn't look all that complicated. Those who qualify under the policies, have or can generate good documentation, supply complete information as requested, and respond completely to any follow-up questions, tend to get through the process fairly quickly. Those who don't qualify, or who decide that the process is going to be too difficult and attempt to fudge, it often get into trouble.

Those who are successful in this business usually follow the process, because it's the path of least resistance. That's the practical answer. One of the legal questions in this case seems to be whether the policies are legal, and I suspect few of the active participants on this list have the necessary legal background to answer that.