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Re: SORBS Contact
Michael Nicks wrote:
So, we shouldn't enforce _our_ policies on _our_ sites, that _our_ users agree with and assume that we follow because it's inconvenient for _you_? Assuming that I follow the rules that I have established, and published for review for the running of my list, how are my practices broken? Can I not conceivably list anyone who falls afoul of my listing policies at any time? Why should I, someone with years of experience running, maintaining and defending a DNSBL listen to you who lacks such experience (to my knowledge) as to how to run my list? Why should I, with the above mentioned points of experience listen to you as to how to run my list when your advice is in conflict with the policies that my list abides by, and that my uses expect and trust that I follow? Should I also listen to your thoughts on routing protocols so as to ensure you are not required to "jump through hoops"? Perhaps I should consult with you in designing my web site for similar reasons? Maybe I should have you review my security so that my network is not overly burdensome to you? Or, maybe I should show up at your facilities and start ripping out patch cables and torching servers and equipment used to provide service to people who fall afoul of my listing policies. I really don't think that you'd appreciate that. Therefore your statement that you should not have to "jump through hoops" is unsupportable.
And believe me when I say this, there's a long list of people on the Internet that I consider to be idiots, and a large local deny file on my mailservers for entities I don't like, or don't want mail from that never make it into the AHBL. I, and Matthew (to my knowledge) does not bend the rules simply because it's convenient, or because the idiot deserved it. On the front page of the AHBL's website is a link in size 4 bold font. "If you were told to come here to get removed from our list, please see this page." If you are for some reason incapable of figuring out how to follow the link, navigating your way to the lookup page in the subsequent instructions, and then determining and entering your IP address; then why are you running a mail server in the first place? Also on our site is our policies which every volunteer with access to the AHBL has read and agreed to follow. We also monitor raw incoming submissions to ensure the volunteers DO follow them. So feel free to read our policies, and if you like them, feel free to use our list if it suits your needs. If it does not, please feel free to direct your opinions to the bitbucket unless you want to come to me with both a problem and a rational solution, instead of bitching about how I do volunteer work.