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Re: ISP wants to stop outgoing web based spam

  • From: Ken Simpson
  • Date: Thu Aug 10 13:53:34 2006

> I've had a a situation in the past that required this same application. 
> I ended up using amavisd-new with custom views for incoming and outgoing 
> mail. For spam originating from inside, it was dropped completely, for 
> spam originating from the outside, subject was rewritten.

Can you elaborate on the situation off-list? It seems to me that
stopping outbound webmail spam is something that would not be
profitable for an ISP. I am wondering what the ISP's motivation is to
solve this problem.

Regards,
Ken

> 
> Hope this helps.
> -Michael
> 
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> Michael Nicks
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> Hank Nussbacher wrote:
> >
> >Back in 2002 I asked if anyone had a solution to block or rate limit
> >outgoing web based spam. Nothing came about from that thread. I have an
> >ISP that *wants* to stop the outgoing spam on an automatic basis and be
> >a good netizen. I would have hoped that 4 years later there would be
> >some technical solution from some hungry startup. Perhaps I have missed
> >it. What I have found so far is:
> >
> >Detecting Outgoing Spam and Mail Bombing
> >http://www.brettglass.com/spam/paper.html
> >SMTP based mitigation - thing on HTTP/HTTPS
> >
> >Stopping Outgoing Spam
> >http://research.microsoft.com/~joshuago/outgoingspam-final-submit.pdf
> >Research paper - nothing practical
> >
> >Throttling Outgoing SPAM for Webmail Services
> >http://www.ceas.cc/papers-2005/164.pdf
> >Research paper - nothing practical
> >
> >ISPs look inward to stop spam - Network World
> >http://www.networkworld.com/news/2004/071204carrispspam.html
> >Bottom line - no solution
> >
> >So I am trying once again.  Hopefully someone has some magic dust
> >this time around.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Hank Nussbacher
> >http://www.interall.co.il
> >

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