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RE: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless

  • From: Jamie Bowden
  • Date: Wed Aug 02 07:55:05 2006

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
> Behalf Of Paul Vixie
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:30 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless
> [email protected] ("Scott Weeks") writes:
> > ... I'm just saying that there has to be a better way than 
> police-type
> > actions on a global scale.  ...
> no, there doesn't have to be such a way.  where the stakes 
> are in meatspace
> (pun unintended), the remediation has to be in meatspace.  
> cyberspace is
> just a meatspace overlay, it can only pretend to have 
> different laws when
> nothing outside of cyberspace is at stake.  i think that the days when
> botnets were mostly used for kiddie-on-kiddie violence or 
> even gangster-on-
> gangster violence are permanently behind us.  it's up to the 
> real LEOs now,
> because it's on their turf now, which is to say, it's in the 
> real world now.

Pardon the oddball formatting, as much as I loathe Outlook, it is our
internal standard for corporate mail.

I'd just like to point out Paul, that while we may rely on police to
handle crimes in the real world, we still lock our doors.

Jamie Bowden
"It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold"
Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur"
Iain Bowen <[email protected]>