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Re: IP ranges, re- announcing 'PA space' via BGP, etc

  • From: Stephen Sprunk
  • Date: Fri Apr 07 12:57:01 2006

Thus spake "Alexander Koch" <[email protected]>
On Fri, 7 April 2006 07:03:09 -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Can you give us some examples so us "dumb Americans" can more
precisely explain the problem? :)
When a random customer (content hoster) asks you to accept
something out of 8/8 that is Level(3) space, and there is no
route at this moment in the routing table, do you accept it,
or does Level(3) have some fancy written formal process and
they get approval to do it, etc.?

In Europe we would tell the customer this ain't gonna happen,
as we would re- announce blocks out of 'foreign' LIR allocations
and that is a no-go, unless the holder of that allocations
acks that.
Here, it seems that some ISPs will accept foreign PA routes* _as long as the customer is still connected to that other provider_. Some won't under any circumstances. The remainder aren't filtering their downstreams and have no clue what they are providing transit for (i.e. it's the customer's job to get it right).

If you do decide to accept a foreign PA route, you need to be very careful to point out to the customer (a) some people will filter your route for being too long and send their traffic to the owning provider, and (b) if the other provider doesn't announce the longer prefix in addition to their aggregate, anyone who accepts the longer route will send traffic only to you due to longest match. Both cases can result in suboptimal routing.

The correct** solution is to help them become an LIR, assuming they qualify.


* meaning a route for part of another ISP's aggregate
** for some values of "correct"

Stephen Sprunk "Stupid people surround themselves with smart
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K5SSS smart people who disagree with them." --Aaron Sorkin