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oh yeah... IPX - that works a treat. (who was it that said "Its Deja Vu all over again") --bill > [ It's been pointed out that, due to various historical reasons, IPv8 > might not be the best choice of version-number to use in this > context. So, IPv10 can serve for purposes of discussion, in its > stead. ] > > On Mar 5, 2006, at 7:19 PM, Roland Dobbins wrote: > > > > > > >On Mar 5, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > > >>Far from it, but, there are lessons to be > >>learned that are applicable to the internet, and, separating the > >>end system identifier from the routing function is one we still seem > >>determined to avoid for reasons passing my understanding. > > > >And this is the real answer, of course. > > > >There were two fundamental design decisions made back in the Olden > >Days which continue to exert a strong and in many cases quite > >negative sway over this entire set of inter-related issues: > > > >1. Utilizing the endpoint identifier in the routing function, as > > Vince Fuller and you (among others) have stated, and > > > >2. The ships-in-the-night nature of the TCP/IP protocol stack. > > This latter design decision is a big part of the reason TCP/IP > > has been so successful to date; however, we find more and > > more kludgey, brittle hacks to try and provide some sort > > of linkages for purposes of enforcing policy, etc. The > > irony is that these attempts largely stem from the unforeseen > > side-effects of #1, and also contribute to a reinforcing > > feedback loop which further locks us into #1. > > > >Given the manifold difficulties we're facing today as a result of > >these two design decisions (#2 is a 'hidden' reason behind untold > >amounts of capex and opex being spent in frustratingly > >nonproductive ways), perhaps it is time to consider declaring the > >'Limited-Deployment IPv6 Proof-of-Concept Experiment' to be a > >success, take the lessons learned (there are a lot more unresolved > >and potentially problematic issues than those mentioned in this > >thread) into account and get started on IPv8. > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Roland Dobbins <[email protected]> // 408.527.6376 voice > > > > Everything has been said. But nobody listens. > > > > -- Roger Shattuck > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Roland Dobbins <[email protected]> // 408.527.6376 voice > > Everything has been said. But nobody listens. > > -- Roger Shattuck
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