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Re: SPAM Level Status - And why not stop the peering with lame ISPs

  • From: Alain Hebert
  • Date: Thu Feb 09 22:44:32 2006

Should have been clearer, most of the abuse emails I send to ISP's operating in the APNIC are ineffective.
(Well it compares to local tyrant like MaBell or Cable Distributor)

Maybe they dont put any priority into what a "small ISP in Montreal" think because the relation between the APNIC community and ARIN's are not as strong.

Except for the for mention tyrant, ISP's in ARIN are pretty quick in fixing the issues.

For APNIC, we also includes all their peers up-to (if possible) to a ARIN one. But we only do that on extreme case of network flooding.
(No sense on wasting operator time on spam related incidents)


I wont comment more on the comments bellow except to say that I dont like the undertone.

A lot of our clients/partners/friends are asian and are from the Montreal community.

... as for being dumb ... stupidity is a planet wide illness. (;

Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:

On 2/10/06, Alain Hebert <[email protected]> wrote:

That new bunch of spam is hard to tag on digest alone... And I dont
believe in regexing the content to see if a url is listed (too many
false positive).

Then you're doing it wrong.

And you'd discover for yourself that its a dumb move to nullroute or
depeer with everything you can think of, trying to block spam

Shouldnt be too hard to find that out even if you run a small local
ISP in montreal, given the huge number of chinese / vietnamese people
I saw there (they'd probably all use shaw and bell anyway)

If you didnt attend the MAAWG mtg in montreal late last year you
missed out on learning quite a lot of really operational spam
filtering, none of which included "nullroute whatever you can"

Suresh Ramasubramanian ([email protected])

Alain Hebert [email protected] PubNIX Inc. P.O. Box 175 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 5T7
tel 514-990-5911 fax 514-990-9443