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Re: Two Tiered Internet

  • From: Joe Shen
  • Date: Wed Dec 14 22:42:24 2005
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What I'm interested in is how the two service
providers will build a two tiered Internet. 

To our experience, current QoS mechanism ( WRR +
multiple_Queue) could not differentiate service
quality when bandwidth is overprivisioned. If there is
congestion, why should I stay with it while there is
another ISP who says their is no congestion in their
network ? If hard limited bandwidth allocation
mechanism is available, how could they calculate the
bandwidth of each service class ? how could they do
with the complexity of nework management? How could
they do with security problems? 

Looking at IPTV, I'm not sure where is millions of
people use such service; but I do know P2P IPTV
application (like ppstream) could provide good quality
and multiple TV programs even bandwidth is limited. 

So, IMO this is game between ISPs, new technology,
content providers and internet users. Currently,
content providers are the ONLY winner. 


--- Jared Mauch <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 05:14:46PM -0800, Tony Li
> wrote:
> > 
> > >I guess you missed all those trenches being dug
> in Verizon land to  
> > >install
> > >fiber to the home. I guess you missed all the
> network upgrades in  
> > >ATT/SBC
> > >and Bellsouth land to shorten their copper loop
> distances.
> > >
> > >Sounds like they are manufacturing more bandwidth
> and the zero sum  
> > >game
> > >is getting bigger.
> > 
> > 
> > I believe it when it gets to my street.  So far,
> the reality is  
> > Really Slow DSL, with
> > service and installation times measured in weeks
> at costs that aren't
> > competitive.  So yes, I missed all of that.
> 	Ditto.
> 	No matter how many million IPTV users there
> are, it's not reaching the area where i live.  I'd
> love Verizon
> to come into the chunk of the SBC area where i live
> that is adjancent to their existing service area and
> attempt
> to compete with each other.
> 	- jared
> -- 
> Jared Mauch  | pgp key available via finger from
> [email protected]
> clue++;      |  My
> statements are only mine.

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