North American Network Operators Group

Date Prev | Date Next | Date Index | Thread Index | Author Index | Historical

Re: What do we mean when we say 'competition?'

  • From: Frank Coluccio
  • Date: Sat Nov 26 23:36:53 2005

In some areas VZ will leave the copper in place if you simply ask, and in some
places you must forcefully "insist." 

I'm aware of a case in the Tampa area where a subscriber had to "insist." While
he did wind up keeping his POTS lines intact, while adding a second feed in the
way of fiber for Internet access (and video, if it ever gets/got there?), alone,
he advised me that this involves maintaining two accounts with Verizon. And
naturally, this means two monthly bills, as well. One bill will be for the FiOS
service(s), which is(are) the Internet and TV service being offered by, and the other account (the subscriber's original account) for POTS. 

If you suspect that the telco in doing this is merely trying to keep its business
functions separated along the lines of switched circuit vs. IP, and for all of
the regulatory reasons having to do with positioning that that implies, then
you'd be 100% correct.

Frank A. Coluccio
DTI Consulting Inc.
212-587-8150 Office
347-526-6788 Mobile

> In (at least) the Long Island, NY market, Verizon FTTH/FIOS installers
> physically cut and decommission the copper upon fiber install.
> Bye-bye DSL competition. Since they won't bring back the copper
> even you don't like the FIOS service, it's permanent. ISTR that
> the fiber doesn't carry the same restrictions on Verizon as copper
> did, which is a big incentive (for them) to roll out FIOS that way.

My understanding is that there is a fairly small number of pots
circuits (2?) that they can bring in over the B-PON, and that moreover
ISDN BRI and hicap (eg. repeatered or HDSL DS1 service) are entirely

In Virginia, there's anecdotal evidence that suggests that they'll
leave the copper upon request, and won't even try to remove it if you
still need it for service.

Guess you know what to do. :)