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North American Network Operators Group Date Prev | Date Next | Date Index | Thread Index | Author Index | Historical Re: the iab simplifies internet architecture!
>>> It's a two way street; vendors need to listen to the ops folks. >> because they want to sell their equipment and software to the >> operators? > yes, including improving (in various ways) their existing equipment > and software to make the customer happier. somehow, the vendors hear from their customers. the problem is that isp operators are a small portion of the market. so having enterprise, r&e, gummint, ... at nanog is good as it impacts a larger target area in the vendors. when we all agree and mount max pressure, we maybe have a 50% success ratio. >>> Ops folks need to participate in the IETF. >> because they want to sell what? clue? seems unmarketable. > So that they can affect the protocols that are going to be > implemented at a stage where they can still be modified to suit > their needs, scenarios, requirements, etc. and what success ratio have we had with this? 10%? look at the poster child for operator success at the ietf, ipv6. it took seven years to get rid of tla/nla etc. it took eight+ to get rid of site-local, yet it keeps rearing its head. and we still don't have squat for routing. randy
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