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Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering
- From: Alex Rubenstein
- Date: Wed Oct 05 15:57:20 2005
Not to add fuel to the fire, but many IP contracts with my upstreams have
a clause, which is very similar across vendors:
"VENDOR cannot guarantee the peering sessions between our ourselves and
other companies and/or networks. There is no guarantee of end to end
connectivity between you as a CUSTOMER and other non-VENDOR controlled
While it actually has meaning now, I am not sure you'd get a vendor to
delete that from an agreement.
On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Matthew Crocker wrote:
On Oct 5, 2005, at 2:47 PM, Douglas Dever wrote:
Um, I only have 2 routes to Level 3 when I should have 3 routes and I'm
paying for 3 routes...
On 10/5/05, Matthew Crocker <[email protected]> wrote:
They did, and I'm not down. I see Level 3 via Sprint and GNAPs/CENT
just fine. I didn't lose any connectivity to Level 3 at all. Bits
moving down different pipes, not a big deal to me technically. The
So, where's the problem, exactly?
fact remains that Cogent is not providing the service I'm paying them
for and they need to get it fixed.
Really? As you already pointed out, your packets are reaching their
destination. So, they don't "need" to get anything "fixed."
Ok, I *pay* Cogent for 'Direct Internet Access' which is IP Transit service.
I *cannot* get to part of the internet via Cogent right now. I also *pay*
Sprint and GNAPS for 'Direct Internet Access' and I can get to all parts of
the internet via their networks. I *used* to be triple redundant to *all*
of the Internet but now I only have *two* connections to Level 3. My
packets are reaching their destination because I'm smart enough to be
multi-homed, that doesn't remove the responsibility of Cogent to do what I
*pay them to do*. Cogent is *not* providing complete Internet access, I
really don't care who's fault it is.
Is it really that hard to understand?
What utter nonsense...
*shakes head and walks away*
As a paying Cogent customer I expect to be able to get to the Internet
through them. Isn't that the business they are in?
Matthew S. Crocker
Crocker Communications, Inc.
PO BOX 710
Greenfield, MA 01302-0710
Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, [email protected], latency, Al Reuben
Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net