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Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering

  • From: Patrick W. Gilmore
  • Date: Wed Oct 05 12:10:51 2005

On Oct 5, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Matthew Crocker wrote:

I opened a billing/support ticket with Cogent. I'm not planning on paying my bill or continuing the contract if they cannot provide full BGP tables and full Internet transport (barring outages). Luckily I have 2 other providers so I can still reach Level 3.
I'm curious where in your contract you think Cogent guaranteed you connectivity to Level 3?

Most transit contracts only guarantee packet delivery to the edge of their own networks. I'm pretty sure Cogent is doing that. (Hell, they have lots of spare capacity now. :)

Of course, I would claim that the word "transit" has certain implications, but IANAL. (I'm not even an ISP. :) So perhaps someone could enlighten me on how one would go about asking for credits for this ... disconnectivity.

Also, I've already heard from customers of L3 single-homed providers that L3 will _NOT_ be issuing credits. So I guess the question goes for L3 contracts as well.

Maybe I can buy the new 'Cogent - it is almost the Internet' service for less money.
Maybe. Would you pay L3 for "almost the Internet" as well?

There is nothing wrong with "partial transit". If we could get partial transit at 50% off full transit pricing, we would absolutely consider it - depending on things like which "part" of the Internet is served.

And why aren't people asking for partial transit pricing from providers who do things like filter smaller prefixes (because they are too cheap or too dumb to run a real backbone) or entire countries (say, for spam) or other things?