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Maybe a market difference.. most maps I've obtained in the UK have been under NDA with established relationships already. Altho I suspect they're more concerned at showing me who's duct and fiber they're actually on.. Steve On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, Joe McGuckin wrote: > > Stephen, > > The point I'm trying to make is that over classifying everything as 'secret' > or 'confidential' at this late date is useless. The horse is already out of > the barn. > > You can omit the site of a fiber backhoe accident from an email and say it's > due to security concerns, but I can call any telecom vendor who sells SONET > or metro ethernet services and get them to fax me a map of their network. At > the very minimum all I have to do is keep an eye out for USA markings on the > street. Or I could call USA and the next day people with paint cans would be > marking up the street, showing me exactly where to dig. > > If someone wants to cause trouble, the information they need is freely > available. The so-called security provisions most telecom companies use are > just enough to deter curious teen-agers. > > On 8/7/05 8:15 AM, "Stephen J. Wilcox" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, Joe McGuckin wrote: > > > >> > >> On 8/5/05 8:12 PM, "George William Herbert" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> First, an electrical contractor backhoed a large fiber > >>> link in downtown San Jose (address deleted due to security > >>> concerns) this morning, causing moderate damage. > >> > >> That's just plain silly. As if we (or even your imagined 'terrorist') don't > >> know where the fiber runs around here. > > > > well.. theres lots of ducting going down streets but not that many folks know > > which of them are the major cable routes, i think keeping specific detail > > discrete is reasonable > > > > in a fire near where i am a couple years ago: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/10/23/arson_suspected_in_manchester_cable/ > > > > it seemed a bit of a coincidence that both the active and protect paths of a > > major sdh route got hit in this attack and it took out a lot of long distance > > circuits > > > > Steve > > > >
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