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Re: mobile user strawman argument

  • From: Brad Knowles
  • Date: Thu Jun 30 17:34:59 2005

At 2:02 PM -0700 2005-06-30, Mike Leber wrote:

 In practice if your remote users don't use the submit port on your servers
 it gives rise to all kinds of different issues involving you trying to
 support the outbound filtering AOL is doing on your customers sending from
 non AOL domains.
That doesn't change the fact that plenty of MUAs do not properly handle alternative ports.

 Or you support POP AUTH, which just works, is in widespread use (probably
 the most widespread of the methods of authenticating the submit port after
 allowing relaying by IP), and was implemented years ago when open relays
 were closed.
Unfortunately, plenty of MUAs, even ones old enough to have been around when POP-before-SMTP was the only authentication measure around, still don't support this, or don't support it correctly.

Hell, damn few clients do plain-jane POP or SMTP anywhere remotely close to correctly. Expecting them to do anything more advanced than that will be an exercise in frustration.

You can't just set a hard and fast rule (like "let them eat cake"), and automatically expect all MUAs to kow-tow overnight.

Brad Knowles, <[email protected]>

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