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Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?]

  • From: Joe Abley
  • Date: Thu Jun 16 13:38:45 2005

Far not, I have nothing to add on the "e-mail peering" hand-waving, but...

On 2005-06-16, at 11:49, [email protected] wrote:

If the BGP peering side of the business can sort out all of
this stuff, then why can't the email side of the business do
the same, or perhaps, do even better?

It's not comparable, as has been explained several times to you.

Perhaps you have never been involved in BGP peering? Let
me explain what the BGP peering side of the business does,
in addition to operating BGP sessions with peers. To start
with, most ISPs don't start peering until after they have
negotiated and agreement. Those agreements are legal contracts
with many pages specifying the responsibilities of the two
parties, limits on how the technology is to be applied,
SLAs, processes for interoperation and communication between
NOCs, i.e. the people protocols.
... this (above) is vastly different to my experience.

At ISC we have between 1000 and 2000 BGP sessions active at exchanges around the world. I can count the number of those that required signed peering agreements on two hands.

Of those that did require paperwork, most were very happy to set up BGP sessions straight away, without waiting for the contracts to be signed and mailed. (If there are any such people watching, to whom I never got around to sending you a signed contract back, please let me know, and sorry :-)

Unless I am just very special, and some natural law protects me from mountains of legal paperwork which everybody else is obliged to climb, BGP peering is a lot more free and loose in real life than you suggest.


Joe