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Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies

  • From: Patrick W. Gilmore
  • Date: Wed Jun 01 13:23:34 2005

On Jun 1, 2005, at 12:17 PM, Gadi Evron wrote:

Zombies do both, but my comment wasn't about zombies, it was about
users.  If you are a user with a vanity domain trying to send e-mail
"From: [email protected]", you cannot through VZ's system.  Despite
the fact we have spent years telling people they have to use their
local ISP's mail server to send mail out.

Does VZ support SMTP AUTH these days?  (My info is over a year old.)
Verizon has many odd choices in their history, indeed. Still, how many
DSL users actually *need* to use an account other than that given to
them by their ISP?
Many thousands, perhaps 100s of thousands.

I find this extreme measure quite a good step, and in the right direction.
I do not.

There is no real reason why you should be able to email out with
[email protected] using Verizon's own servers.
Of course not.  But "[email protected]" is perfectly reasonable.

If you are an advanced enough user to have your own vanity domain then
you are advanced enough to have your own SMTP server. If port 25 is
blocked, you can probably sort this out with your ISP (if said ISP is
responsive to your needs) and/or move an ISP.
The example given in this thread proves you wrong. My friend had a vanity domain, did not have her own mail server.

But that's OK, we should tell people one thing (use your ISP's server to send mail) and do another (block them from sending mail through their ISP's server).

Makes the "clueless majority" much happier when even the "techies" can't figure out WTF they are supposed to do.