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Re: The Cidr Report

  • From: Hank Nussbacher
  • Date: Mon Feb 14 03:35:08 2005

At 10:27 AM 14-02-05 +1000, Philip Smith wrote:

Well said. At NANOG you get the clueful people cuz they at least knew to come. That is a start. But there are hundreds of ISPs out there who don't have a clue. RIPE realized this without having to do a membership poll and rightly so, goes and does training where it is needed (and believe me - I am their biggest critic and all-around pain in the ass when it comes to their expenses as Leo and Rob can attest).

NANOG is not the place to do it. ARIN, as part of their overhead should do an east coast, west coast and Chicago area tutorial at least once a year. And guess what - most of the training material has already been written by the other RIRs.


The BGP tutorials I've been doing on Sundays at NANOG all cover aggregation - at least, I seem to end up talking about aggregation in each one. Maybe I need to be more direct? But then again, who am I preaching to? The choir maybe, I don't know. Maybe we need a specific aggregation tutorial for those who don't know how to? Those who have operational and technical reasons not to aggregate have made that decision with prior knowledge. We should try and give everyone else the knowledge, then at least we will know that all de-aggregation is done for a reason.

Then it begs the question, is NANOG the conference actually reaching the people who'd most benefit from it? I say this as I'm in transit in Singapore heading back from a hugely successful and enjoyable SANOG (South Asia NOG) in Bangladesh. Similar idea to NANOG, but heavier emphasis on education (workshops & tutorials), and we had ISPs falling over themselves to participate in the first Internet operations meeting held in that country.

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